Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile'

We didn't go to war for "democracy".

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Millions huh?

 

snakestretcher, Margot2, et al,

This is all much to do about nothing.

The basic information about the Al Muthanna Chemical Weapons Complex is covered in Annex B, Volume 3, of the
DCI Special Advisor Report on Iraq's WMD. Everything you want to know, with pictures is in the report, Annex B.

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Believe me when I say, if there had been found anything along the lines of WMD at al-Muthanna, the US would have been shouting it from the top of the Empire State Building and flooding the internet with the findings. Such a discovery would have vindicated the Bush Administration and the invasion into Iraq. But nothing of any value was found.

Let me begin by saying, we were almost all wrong, and I certainly include myself here.​

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Dr. David A. Kay
Iraq Survey Group
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What happens here, is that people cherry pick through old intelligence to find something to support their position. In this case, people who have a reason they want the US to become re-entangled in Iraq. Some may have a valid argument to be heard for a renewed US involvement. But don't use WMD as some sort of panic button threat.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

My favorite propaganda bit was that Saddam was trucking WMDs back and forth between Syria and Sudan.. Americans will believe anything no matter how improbable.

 

I don't get it.

1) People say the chemicals in those bunkers are degraded and useless.

2) They also say that it would be too dangerous for ISIS soldiers to even go in those bunkers.

3) How can the chemicals be both "degraded & useless" AND "too dangerous to handle" at the same time?

 

How old? Ten years maybe?

 

They are useless because we don't want to cause any unwanted support or confirmation of past intelligence information. That would be bad. They are dangerous because .....well, common sense says they are dangerous.

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Not "back and forth". It was a one way convoy.

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025121987

So I must ask when the CIA file was created because the UN Weapons Inspectors were at Iraq's al-Muthanna chemical weapons installation in 2003 and destroyed everything that was there.

If the CIA file is more recent than Feb 14, 2003 it would establish that since the US invasion in 2003 Iraq has re-started it's chemical weapons production at al-Muthanna because it didn't exist prior to the invasion.

Is that what's being claimed?

 

Ya think??????

 

I think you're applying too much critical thinking here. The idea is to simply mention WMDs. This is the part where you get scared, and get behind the president and support any kind of additional insanity out of fear of WMDs.

 

You do have a point. There was a lot of Americans who believed they'd save $2,500 on health insurance, that everyone could keep their health policy, that they could keep their doctor, that we could subsidize many if not most Americans' health insurance premiums- and all without adding one dime to the deficit.

Indeed, it's amazing what some Americans will believe.

 

Ask the relatives of the Kurds who were the victims.

 

US knew Saddam used them on Kurds. US helped them. What the US was looking for were new ones. That actually were made. Not decades old that didnt work

 

30 years old.

 

US knew about those old weapons. And US units disposed of lot of them when they took over Iraq.
That wasnt the WMDS that Bush & Blair were talking about. They accused Saddam of making new WMDS. Hence the reason for UN investigators.

 

That was the same problem we had in 2002-2003 because there was no actual evidence of WMD's in Iraq at the time. The Bush Adminstration simply "scared the hell" out of 80% of Americans based upon information about Iraq's WMD program of the 1980's that was long since gone.

It was ironic as I was just watching the CNN special on the 60's and how LBJ got the US deeply involved in the Vietnam War and I was someone surprised to finally realize that Bush did the samething in getting the US involved in the Iraq War. Both wars were based upon BS and irrational fears.

What part of "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (George Santayana) do Americans never seem to understand?

 

Yep, all true. That is why now more than ever....

 

Iraq Survey Group Final Report - GlobalSecurity.org
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/l...nal-report/isg-final-report_vol3_cw-anx-b.htm
Weapons of Mass Destruction ... Project 1/75 was a remnant of the Al Hasan Institute and started as a small facility 40 km SW of Samarra’, Iraq. ... Al Muthanna’s

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WAIT JUST A DAMNED MINUTE, I THOUGHT THE GOSPEL WAS …
http://www.westernfreepress.com/201...e-gospel-was-that-there-were-no-wmds-in-iraq/
Jun 19, 2014 · ... I THOUGHT THE GOSPEL WAS THAT THERE WERE NO WMD’S IN IRAQ ! ... manufacturing plant for both chemical ... at the Al Muthanna facility, ...

Could it be that the Progressive lie was so great that many Americans believed that WMD's and their manufacturing points were never found?

 

Is it possible like you are so desperate to be right, you will twist history anyway you can. Yes America knew about the site. it was bombed in 89 91 and 93. Inspected in 98 reinspected in 2003 both later inspections confirmed there was no chemical weapons at the site and the equipment left that could manufacture such weapons was destroyed during the 98 tour.

But hey lets not let the truth get in the way of your daily wanking outrage

 

But we were told those stockpiles were a figment of Bush's imagination. How can we be responsible for not cleaning up something which supposedly didn't exist?

 

Then how is it that the Obama regime and his "intelligence" experts now claim that WMD were recently left at this known manufacturing site and captured by ISIS? Very interesting isn't it.....

 

Posting across several political forums I've come these conclusions:

1) To people that opposed the war against Iraq, they will NEVER admit that ANYTHING justified it.

2) People are moving the goal posts regarding what constitutes "weapons". You don't have to be able to mount something in a warhead or bomb for it to be a weapon. Something like 3,000 Americans were killed in Iraq by IEDs (Improvised Explosive Devices). These do not fit that definition of "weapon" either as they can't be mounted on a delivery system.
But I have no doubt those things are considered "weapons".

3) People are ignoring the fact that Saddam Hussein was not supposed to have ANY chemical weapons OR the capability of making them. Not degraded. Not old. Not rusted. None

 

Of course he had chemical weapons in the 1980s.. He bought them from the US in the proxy war against Iran.

 

Rev. 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal (of the Scriptures), I heard the voice of the fourth beast ([Ez 1:10], sociologically, the academic, educated, Integrated Group) say, Come and see.

Rev. 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse (OF FOREIGN COLONIALISM, FOLLOWED BY INDEPENDENCE AND STAGNATION): and his name, (ISLAMIC SHARIA), that sat on him, (BACKWARDNESS), was Death, (THEOCRATIC OPPRESSION),and Hell (IN WORLD WIDE TERRORISM) followed with him, (FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM).
And (RELIGIOUS) power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, (the Western World), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the (FOUR) beasts (the chariots of Social Force, the four Social Group) of the earth.

 

Jerusalem’s Enemies to Be Destroyed

12 A prophecy: The word of the Lord concerning Israel.

The Lord, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares: 2 “I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem.

3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.

4 On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness,” declares the Lord. “I will keep a watchful eye over Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations. 5 Then the clans of Judah will say in their hearts, ‘The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God.’

 

According to who? I saw the Presidents speech yesterday and said no such thing. The situation at the site is so bad if ISIS tries to cart anything away to use as a weapon they are likely going kill far more themselves than their intended victims