Megyn Kelly destroys John Bolton on Iraq !

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  1. Channe

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    Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly took yet another Iraq War architect to task on Thursday, this time calling out former United Nations ambassador John Bolton for saying that America's entry into the conflict is "irrelevant" at this point.
    Kelly was actually pretty even-handed during the segment, which featured both Bolton and conservative attorney Andrew McCarthy. She suggested that both the 2003 invasion and the 2011 withdrawal are twin causes for the deteriorating situation in Iraq.

    But when Bolton said that past decisions are "irrelevant to the circumstances we face now," Kelly got animated.

    "I know, you keep saying that but it actually is relevant to a lot of people out there who are wondering, 'How did we get here?' Is it not relevant to ask, 'How did we get here?'" she asked.

    "Well, it's very interesting, but the decision-maker has to look at the environment we have now," Bolton responded, saying it's for that reason he is opposed to President Obama's plan to send 300 military advisers to Iraq.

    Kelly wasn't done talking about Bolton's role in the military misadventure.

    "You know that a lot of people are out there tonight saying, 'Well, weren't you one of the people who was in favor of going into Iraq in the first place and Is that why you don't want to discuss the past ten years and whether they were worth it?'" she asked.

    Bolton said he would be “happy to discuss the past 10 years and we can start 10 years before that if you want,” but he stressed that it's "not the question that America faces today."

    The exchange came a day after Kelly's hard-hitting interview with Dick Cheney, during which she told the former vice president that he "got it wrong" on Iraq.

    It's a familiar role for Kelly, a former lawyer. While she's certainly done her part to uphold Fox's ideological orthodoxy, Kelly has also distinguished herself from her colleagues by occasionally grilling some conservative guests.

    [video=youtube;ZTnhvCLuxng]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTnhvCLuxng[/video]

    I'm loving' this lady ! She's got more balls than Hannity and O'Reilly. The right wing are losing the argument, they know it. ISIS is not Obama's fault and not his responsibility. We owe it to the Iraqi people to leave them alone and let them fight their own war.
     
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    I too love Megyn Kelly, she is a great asset to Fox. But I disagree with you about letting Obama off the hook. While it's true all these people got it wrong and I put much of the blame on that with our intelligence, we still left Iraq with everything in place. The building blocks were laid.There were still some inter fighting between Sunnis and the government, but I blame that on Maliki for not including more Sunnis in the government and I blame Obama for not pressing Maliki to do it. If he had, the chances of this all blowing up like it has may never have happened. Obama had five years to try and convince Maliki that this was the right thing to do, but he didn't and because of that, all of this could be for nothing.
     
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    You have to be living in a dream world to think anybody got "destroyed" in this exchange, hth.
     
  4. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We left Iraq as it was. The fact is that even if stayed until 2030, in 2032 you'd have this uprising. This is NOT our war or our country. Let the people of that region figure out their own problems.

    Obama promised to get us out of Iraq and he did just that.
     
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    What nonsense!

    The Sunni insurgency in Iraq against the Shia government we installed never really died, it just took a couple of years off to wait out the "surge".

    Iraq nearly descended into civil war in 2006, when the US has 141,000 troops in place, and now fools like Wolfowitz and Cheney argue that if we had left 15,000 there, everything would be OK!!!!!

    Iraq oil production only recovered from the destruction of the war in 2012, ten years after Wolfowitz said the war would be "self financing"

    Baghdad is divided into walled camps, and you call that "building blocks"?

    The Malaki government has spent the last three months trying to form a government after April elections, and they are making no progress (it took them a year after the first election), while the whole country falls apart.

    Don't look too closely, but those "building blocks" are corpses.
     
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    Destroys Bolton???? :roflol:............Come on dude, she asked questions and he answered.
     
  7. Teutorian

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    The neo-con internationalists have no argument here. It was delusional of the right to think they could saddle Iraq's meltdown on Obama, when the entire nation remembers the invasion, the claims about WMD, the insurgency, everything. It was basically just sad and pathetic to see the right wing knuckle drag themselves into the conversation to try to pass blame on Obama.

    Bolton is so wrong about everything so often, and offers nothing but war, war and more war, it's amazing he is even still allowed on television.
     
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    All Obama did was carry out the agreement that Bush set in place before he left. Then tried to take credit for pulling the troops out. How gullible are you guys that you can't see that? Don't you listen to anything but MSNBC?
     
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    Megan Kelly is a blowhard.

    Conservatives are not the only ones who were wrong in the past and not the only ones pointing fingers today.

    Of course ISIS belongs around obumer's neck.

    He has been the golfer in chief for six years.

    But as long as he can avoid getting blamed for anything Obama does not give a crap what happens over there.

    It's all political with him.
     
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    Correct. We did our job.....and we cannot help it if Maliki screwed up his part and reneged on his promise to have an "inclusive" government which might have prevented all this. We cannot do everything for these people....they must do the right things for themselves. He brought this on Iraq; not us.

    From now on, we should be concerned only with our own interests. IF the threat is they'll come after or plan attacks on us, then we should act. Otherwise, let them all kill each other off as far as I'm concerned. Let them weaken each other. BOTH the Sunni's and the Shiite's are our enemies....so let them go at each other. I don't really care.
     
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    Has nothing to do with "neo-cons." In case you are unaware, the Clinton administration also had intelligence that proved Saddam Hussein was a danger concerning wmd's. In fact, in the spring of 1998, Pres. Clinton's administration's indictment of bin Laden pointed out their connection to and willingness to work with Iraq on wmd's. He didn't just pull that out his ass....there was intelligence under his LIBERAL ADMINISTRATION that PROVED it was the case. That intelligence continued into the Bush administration.....and AFTER 3000 of our citizens were MURDERED in an attack on our homeland, we were right to make sure Saddam Hussein could never work with these terrorists to develop wmd's. And considering we KNOW that truckloads of something went to Syria in the months that we were doing the "two-step" at the UN (in their ploy to delay and give Saddam more time to remove his wmd's), I have no doubt Iraq was still working on wmd's that they had already proven they were willing to use as they had used it on their own people!!

    Going into Iraq was not done willy-nilly. The intelligence spanned both liberal and conservative administrations AND included a coalition of various countries that had the SAME intelligence. I realize libs are now trying to re-write history to protect Obama, but it won't work.

    Bush and the Coalition won the war; Obama lost the peace. He lost it because he didn't have the diplomatic skills to make sure that peace held up and that Maliki fulfilled his promises to have an inclusive government. Obama didn't care about Iraq.....and thus the PEACE won there was lost by HIM.....and HIS administration alone.
     
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    I only read the first sentence of this paragraph and without even proceeding further it's obvious I can reply simply by reminding you that Bill Clinton did not invade Iraq to bring about regime change and break the country. Sorry. Also, nobody cares about the United Nations resolutions. It's becoming sort of mind numbing how Republicans can pay lip service to the call for America to pull out of the U.N., boldly declare we won't be hamstrung by the U.N., and then use a U.N. resolution as a justification for invasion like an Ambulance chasing lawyer when it suits our political argument.

    Are you a "small government" conservative who believes in national sovereignty or are you a cheer leader for the United Nations?
    You can't have it both ways. This is honestly getting tiresome.
    So your position is basically that, to maintain "victory" and to prevent Bush and his neo-con puppet masters from looking bad, we only had to stay in Iraq.... forever.
    70% of the American people were for pulling out of Iraq when we did. Obama was elected largely to end the war.

    The Iraq meltdown is yours. Own it.
     
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    she's a host, not an anchor.
     
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    I will take responsibility for the invasion of Iraq.

    But Obama has been in charge for six years.

    What's going on today is his responsibility.
     
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    Obama isn't the President of Iraq, or the master and commander of its ethnic divisions. Do Republicans now understand simple concepts like cause and effect?
    What Iraq is TODAY is the Iraq you, in all your wisdom, inadvertently created when you broke the nation. Do I need to drag Ron Paul's "blowback" video out again or will you guys finally start to get it?
     
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    I agree that Iraq is a mess that bush created.

    And I supported bush.

    But Obama has been in office for six years and the resurgence of war in Iraq is happening on his watch so it is his fault not Bush's.
     
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    This is the absolute truth.

    Both Bush and Obama have their share.

    As to the OP, Megan Kelly is rad!
     
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    I voted for Bush twice. I was against the neo-con invasion of Iraq, however, and history has proven me and everyone like me correct.
    Republicans blaming Obama for Iraq is as disingenuous as liberals blaming the 2014 economy on Bush.

    It's not going to help them. Americans don't have a great political memory, but you would be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't remember who broke Iraq.
    They'll sooner convince people they're liars who don't accept accountability than they will convince the people the Iraq meltdown is Obama's.
     
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    It seems all that matters to some people is that all the blame must fall on bush.

    Bush was wrong but st least he cared.

    With Obama everything is political which is why he walked away from Iraq and let it fall apart the way it has.
     
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    He was voted into power to end the war. He did his part to end it.
    This is a pure neo-con fiasco.

    The Republicans have become an utterly worthless party. This is what happens when your party gets hijacked by ex-Bolsheviks claiming to be conservatives so they can wage Middle East military adventurism. You get nothing from them on the domestic front but leftwing social policy and tax breaks for their friends, and irrational foreign policy and idiotic wars over seas.

    Are we really going to pretend we're confused about why the Republican party is following the dinosaurs?

    Don't expect to win in 2016.
     
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    Blatant lie. Bush and Cheney started the war in Iraq - it is their mess. They guilted and threatened the nation into overstaying.
     
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    Well said. The right would rather wipe their hands clean than take responsibility.
     
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    He wasn't put in power to end the war. The war was basically ended. The time of withdraw was already set, all Obama did was pull them on that date. He was elected because he promised the nation a health plan that was cheaper than what we had now and we could keep the plan and doctor we had.

    It's true the Republican Party is fighting an uphill battle against the Party of lies and give aways. Everyone wants something for nothing. Democrats are no different.
     
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    Your party is irrelevant, incoherent and politically incompetent. That's why it's been defeated over and over and over again.
    Can you name even one monumental conservative victory in your entire LIFETIME? No, you can't, because there wasn't one, nor will there even be.

    There's a reason radical liberals, who are but a small, seemingly insignificant portion of the country, have broken the vast conservative majority to pieces over its knee like a stick.

    Instead of blaming your historic folly on liberal lies, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.
     
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    Wow, it seems many on this board has admitted Iraq was a mistake and was wrong. Have you heard ONE Democrat admit that Obama had 5 years to try and convince the Iraqi government it needs to include Sunnis in it if it's going to prevent the kind of infighting that has been going on? Isn't that part of a President's foreign policy?
     

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