What I don't understand about why the GOP hates Obamacare

Did newt or bob become president?

 

Then you were asleep in 1992 and 1993.

 

Whether you heard them or not, plenty of them were talking about it. 25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama

Since it was the only viable option on the table. Democrats would have far preferred single payer, but the insurance industry and its congressional handmaidens were not about to let that happen. ACA does provide new coverage for millions of people, and as TomFitz correctly points out, Republicans have never offered anything approaching a serious plan.

 

The VA is NOT single payer. Medicare is single payer. I'm assuming you know the difference, but if not, I'll explain.

 

What's there to like?

Increased taxes.
Increase health care insurance premiums.
Death panels.
The corrupt IRS.

...and moochers getting free stuff big time.

 

OMG. You're still using this Pants on Fire canard?

 

The OP doesn't know why the Republicans are against obamacare. The
answer is simple. The electorate were smart enough to not want any
part of it. The Republicans who were elected to vote against
obamacare did just that.

Case closed.

 

Not quite. I want to know why the Republicans were for this model of healthcare, before they were against it. In other words, why they suddenly changed their minds about it in 2009.

 

Citing the Heritage proposal to say that Republicans were for Obamacare before they were against it is like citing a liberal think tank's proposal of tax cuts for the poor to show that Democrats were for cutting EVERY SINGLE KIND OF TAX before they were against it. It's just absurd. Obamacare is to the Heritage proposal as cutting all taxes across the board is to cutting taxes for the poorest people.

And where do you get this idea that all members of a party must back all proposals that come out of a think tank on their side?

As far as Romneycare, the state legislature was 85% Democrat. What makes you think that a GOP dream child would go through an 85% Democratic legislature?

 

Actually its single payer much of the time. Anything service connected is covered entirely by the VA. Any care for combat vets for their first 5 years out is (supposed to be) covered entirely. For those who pay, why don't you go ahead and look at their VA copay and tell me that isn't essentially single payer.

http://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/cost/copays.asp

- - - Updated - - -

Actually its single payer much of the time. Anything service connected is covered entirely by the VA. Any care for combat vets for their first 5 years out is (supposed to be) covered entirely. For those who pay, why don't you go ahead and look at their VA copay and tell me that isn't essentially single payer.

http://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/cost/copays.asp

 

no but Bob Dole was the Republican nomination for president in 1996 (but the democrat voters rejected him in the general election) and Newt Gingrich was the Republican party's house majority leader


..I'm really not sure what you're going with this, originally it was the Republicans who liked insurance mandates, while the Democrats saw it as a conservative's lousy alternative to single payer

who cares what the Republicans had to offer? the Democrats had the house and the senate.. they didn't need a single GOP vote, and in the end they didn't get a single GOP vote from the house nor the senate. The Democrats passed the ACA on their own, so in the end it was the Democrats who were the insurance companies' puppets.. and the end result is the only national healthcare system in the world that mandates people to buy insurance from private companies, WITHOUT taking the profit out of the standard/mandated coverage

The latest polls show the ACA with a 39% approval rating, and many other sources suggest that the majority of the people would rather single payer

so why didn't the Democrats pass a single payer plan? there was zero need for them to get a single vote from the Republicans

 

The reason why they didnt pass single payer is they were so drunk on power and giddy with themselves they were not thinking

 

Hillarycare was the Heritage Plan, which became Crap Care(ACA). Here's the question the GOP isn't asking, which would turn the debate on the Dems heads:

What Reform do you propose? I mean really, you complain about "the high cost, high risk, bloated US system to keep on generating record profits for hospitals, pharmaceutical firms and insurance companies."

So your solution is to demand participation in this high cost, high risk market? How is that a solution? How does demanding participation in the market stop "generating record profits for hospitals, pharmaceutical firms and insurance companies"?

Here's a hint: It doesn't. You gave them an influx of consumers, they have no more risk. No more losses. The Insurance Companies are better off today than pre-ACA.

Market Caps? Meaningless. It doesn't change the fact that the Insurance companies can charge MAX within the limits and they will. Why? Because you Democrats had in your infinite "wisdom" created a closed market. One size fits all HC, you also had the mind-numbing audacity to impose a "deadline"

How will it cost less now that "they're" registered in the system? It won't. They're still using the same beds, the same costs. Just now, it's coming out of their insurance companies(at best), at worst we pay for the subsidies(which means nothing changed at all).

Your Party put lipstick on a pig, or in the President's words, used a hatchet. I thought he campaigned against political non-starters? Your "key legislative" bill is the biggest non-starter in six years of this Administration.

Don't worry, it's not the only non-starter: Immigration "reform"(The "dream" act) to allow untold millions into our system and only THEN will you actually consider protecting the "border". Gun Control, because it's too hard to curb the influence of drugs, nor do we want Americans armed and trained(inspite of complaining about a lack of regulation).

"Equal Pay Act", because the Civil Rights Act of 1965 didn't assure any rights! Just ask those women and multinational/bi-racial entrepreneurs. Oh......oops.

For Six years, you've given us a bunch of political non-starters and you blame us for not accepting these feel-good awful proposals. Social Legislation from the GOP is a political non-starter for your party, can we not equally call Democrats obstructionist?

Or do you think Democratic Obstruction is "good", while Republican Obstruction is "bad"?

You note that Republican alternatives are a series of proposals, as opposed to one bill like Crap Care was. And that's "bad", why exactly?

What's bad about Tort Reform? You want to give Insurance Companies a Cash Cow, but you're opposed to protecting the very people who keep us healthy?

I think giving our doctors a security blanket is a very "American" thing to do in recent times. Why not share your Democratic good-will to all?

Why is shopping across State Lines a bad idea? We've created a single monetary system, shopping across State Lines would be no different from Continental Dollar reform, and would control costs post-ACA.

Do you oppose GOP ideas because they come from the GOP? But if Dear Leader Obama proposed them, he's a genius right?

Democrats: Six years, all non-starters, blame the other side. Never accountable, elitist attitude. Remember, they "know" more than us!

 

Let's see, you pay taxes to the government and the government pays for your healthcare.

 

Simple answer to the thread. It does not put everyone on medical insurance, and it is driving up insurance cost for the ave American. Money is going to b'crats instead of medical ins. It is the old fact that if the government get involved, it becomes a screwed up mess.

 

Of course the most recent unemployment numbers indicate that the economy is improving since the ACA. Job growth clearly improving so there goes that argument. Corporations have more cash than any time in the past and corporate takeovers and mergers are booming. It is absolutely crystal clear that Obamacare is not hurting the economy or the recovery from the Bush years.

 

Read the article on the American health care system on Wikopedia. American health care was a mess before the ACA. Whether or not the ACA will make it better will be resolved over time but it is pretty clear the ACA couldn't possibly make American health care muh worse.

- - - Updated - - -

That statement indicates a depth of understanding that is just plain mind boggling.

 

The question in my mind is why they didn't even propose single payer, if not expecting it to pass, at least as a bargining chip?

 

So,why won't the Republican party actually propose a plan instead of many proposals that the party as a whole will not pass in the House which they control

 

Nope. The reason they didn't pass single payers that the Democratic party doesn't support single payer.

 

I don't know, but of all the Republican suggestions, the one I'm most in favor of and I believe absolutely necessary is Shopping Across State Lines.
Right now, the ACA has tied consumers either to the State or Federal "Marketplaces", which provide NO competition and very meager savings.

But if we could get the insurance plans of ANY State, it'll bring back diversity, competition and lower prices. The Founders were always anti-monopoly. Liberals by contrast are anti-Founders, even though the concept of private property frees people of all races and creeds.

 

Healthcare wasn't a mess. The only point was that some people didn't have insurance and would go to the emergency room where they were got health care as required by law. Obamacare is now making actual healthcare a mess.

 

Of course!

Why lets facts get in the way of a good rant.

 

I would say they hate it because they are hypocrites- mainly due to political expediency.

Nonetheless, it is such a monumentally horrible concept I hope they continue to slowly dismantle it.

 

The same reason that Democrats suddenly supported it when they previously thought it was bad when it was a Republican idea...blind partisan politics. If Republicans and Democrats would quit being such lemmings then this type of thing wouldn't be an issue.