Part 18 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Mitt Ryan

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    We need to be saved from punishment for our sins, for we all have sinned, yes that's right every single last one of us has sinned.

    And so God required animal sacrifices to provide a temporary covering of sins and to foreshadow the perfect and complete sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

    But today we no longer offer animal sacrifices. Animal sacrifices have ended because Jesus Christ was the ultimate and perfect sacrifice.

    Below is a thorough explanation from my favorite Christian web-site.

    The Bible has a lot to say about life after death, and it contradicts popular opinion. John 3:16 NLT says, "For God loved the world so much that He gave His one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life."

    Then in verse 36, Jesus goes on to say, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them." Hebrews 9:27 says, "It is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment." According to these verses, everyone dies, but not everyone goes to heaven (Matthew 25:46; Romans 6:23; Luke 12:5; Mark 9:43).

    God is holy and perfect. Heaven, His dwelling place, is holy and perfect, too (Psalm 68:5; Nehemiah 1:5; Revelation 11:19). According to Romans 3:10, "there is none righteous, no not one." No human being is holy and perfect enough for heaven. The people we call "good" are not good at all compared to the sinless perfection of God. If God allowed sinful humans to enter the perfection of heaven, it would no longer be perfect. What standard should be used to determine who is "good enough?" God's standard is the only one that counts, and He has already ruled. Romans 3:23 says that "all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory." And the payment for that sin is eternal separation from God (Romans 6:23).

    Sin has to be punished, or God is not just (2 Thessalonians 1:6). The judgment we face at death is simply God bringing our accounts up to date and passing sentence on our crimes against Him. We have no way to make our wrongs right. Our good does not outweigh our bad. One sin ruins perfection, just as one drop of arsenic in a glass of water poisons the whole glass.

    So God became man and took our punishment upon Himself. Jesus was God in the flesh. He lived a sinless life of obedience to His Father (Hebrews 4:15). He had no sin, yet at the cross He took our sin and made it His own. Once He paid the price for our sin, we could be declared holy and perfect (2 Corinthians 5:21). When we confess our sin to Him and ask His forgiveness, He stamps "Paid in Full" over our life of selfishness, lust, and greed (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 1 Peter 3:18

    When we stand before God one day, we cannot beg entrance to heaven based on our own merit. We have none to offer. Compared to God's standard of holiness, not one of us is good enough. But Jesus is, and it is by His merit we can enter heaven. First Corinthians 6:9-11 says, "Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." The sacrifice of Jesus covers it all.

    The people who go to heaven are all alike in one way: they are sinners who have placed their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:12; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9). They have recognized their need for a Savior and humbly accepted God's offer of forgiveness. They have repented of their old ways of living and set their course to follow Christ (Mark 8:34; John 15:14). They have not attempted to earn God's forgiveness but have served him gladly from grateful hearts (Psalm 100:2). The kind of faith that saves a soul is one that transforms a life (James 2:26; 1 John 3:9-10) and rests fully on the grace of God.

    Do you want to know for sure that you will be among those who will go to heaven? Please read the following article: Going to Heaven - how can I guarantee my eternal destination?


    Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/who-will-go-to-heaven.html#ixzz36WqKRRPG
     
  2. Mitt Ryan

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    Well of course if you or any other person were to kill your own son that wouldn't only be sick but it would be murder, a crime, a sin, a punishable offense.

    But for God to do it, well now that's a whole different story. Obviously you don't understand it but believe me, we believers understand it full well.

    God did it to save the world from its sins, it was a perfect sacrifice for the benefit of all, for Jesus didn't deserve to die for He was sinless and for anyone who believes in this loving deed they will be saved and have eternal life in heaven.

    Jesus had paid the sin debt and so the believers will not have to pay for their sins by being punished for them...are you getting the idea/concept behind this?

    And the best part of this sacrifice is that our Lord Savior Jesus Christ who was dead for 3 days, resurrected from the dead and came back to life. This was our assurance that we believers will also resurrect from our dead bodies someday and be with our Lord in heaven.

    Yes, our Lord loves us so much that He sacrificed Himself for us!

    Now tell me, do you think you could kill your son, have him dead for 3 days and then have him resurrected from the dead?...no need to answer cause I already know the answer...it is...NO!
     
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    Neither can you "god did it" theory....and that's a fact!
     
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    deleted post so as to open a new thread.
     
  5. Mitt Ryan

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    God did not come from nothing because He has always existed, He has no beginning or no end, He is everlasting, the Eternal One, The Creator of all existence.

    Wrap your finite minds around that concept! I know it will be very hard for the unbelievers to understand it.

    Some people might object and say but it is the universe that is eternal, but haven't our brilliant intelligent scientist tell us the universe had a beginning?...oh yes they did!

    Scripture tells us, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."---Genesis 1:1 NLT
     
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    Sorry but part of your statement is not true. It is true that the Christian religion is based on love and it is not true that it creates hatred and death. The hatred and death is all because of the sinful nature of mankind.

    The crucifixion of Jesus were carried out by sinful men, men who hated Jesus, who didn't believe in Him, who didn't understand Him. They created the hatred and death.

    Jesus represented love and peace, He was sinless, He didn't deserve to die in the manner that He did.

    He had the power to stop His crucifixion but He willingly sacrificed Himself for the entire world. He saved mankind from our sins, He paid the sin debt for everyone who believes in Him.

    For those who don't believe in Him, who hate Him, who will never accept Him, they won't be saved and because of that they will be punished for all their sins they have committed in their lives and rightfully so.

    Jesus said, "For God loved the world so much that He gave His one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent His Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through Him."---John 3:16-17 NLT

    So yes, it is true that the Christian religion is based on love, for what greater love is there for one to sacrifice their life, shedding their sinless innocent blood, in order to save others from the punishment of their sins?...there is no greater love than that!

    Jesus Christ is indeed our Lord Savior! Praise be to our Lord Savior!
     
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    Tell me how could an ordinary Jew or Muslim die for the sins of others when they are sinners themselves?

    Only Jesus could die for the sins of others because He was sinless, meaning He didn't deserve to die, while we sinners deserve to die for our sins.

    So that's why Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. Nobody else could die for the sins of others when they themselves are sinners...is it sinking in now, the understanding or no?
     
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    Gee mitt you just contradicted yourself again. Killing yourself is a sin is it not? If Jesus could have prevented his death and didn't then he BY YOUR DEFINITION was a sinner no better than the rest of us. I just proved he was not sinless as you stated according to your own religion. Which is it, was he sinless or did he commit sin by suicide by cop?
     
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    Besides animal sacrifices there were also human sacrifices.
    In Exodus 13:2 the Lord said "Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me."
    Also:
    Ezekiel 21:33-37
    2 Kings 23:20-25
    1 Kings 13:1-2
    Joshua 7:15
    Judges 11:29-40

    Pagan Lore of ‘man-god’ saviors dying for the sins of their people (and rising three days later) were very common thousands of years before Jesus came along. Christianity plagiarized the stories and adapted them to the Jesus story. Jesus and all the others were the SUN. The 12 disciples represent signs of the Zodiac. The 3 days in the grave are actually representative of the Winter Solstice. The Sun reaches its furthest point South and on the 3rd day begins to move North again.
    For people in Northern Latitudes it disappeared - so was dead - and then arose from the dead on the 3rd day.

    How do you account for that? If all these other god-men/saviors died for our sins what is so special about Jesus?

    It is the SUN that is the Light of the World and the Savior of Mankind.

    We already have eternal life. We are Energy which can never be either created or destroyed; there is only Change. "Sin" is a human construct. In the nature of the Universe there is no such thing.
     
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    I see the word "consecrate" used in that verse, but nowhere is the word "sacrifice" used. Where did you obtain that notion about human sacrifice?

     
  11. OhZone

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    Jesus was not dead for 3 days. As the story was told, he was in the tomb only about 36 hours. Count them ...from Friday evening till Sunday morning is not 3 days.

    Why did God need this blood sacrifice? What is it about blood that He likes so much?
    If he wanted to forgive mankind for its perceived sins why didn't he just do that?
    Jesus never said “salvation comes through my blood”, he simply told the man that salvation comes through obeying the commandments.
    The Bible rejects the doctrine of ‘atonement’. We are responsible for our own sins:

    The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16)

    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20)

    So much for "original sin" that you all have been burdened with. You don't study your own bible. You instead are fooled by the hoaxsters who control you.
     
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    Actually the reason why the high priests under Caiaphas were hell bent on leather to off him was because he so popular and viewed by so many as King of the Jews and was a threat to their iron rule and crap taxation methods which, on top of the Romans taxes were crippling the Jews.

    At early morning during passover no worshiper had any business or desire to be at Pilate's home hence, the only people there were the Priests and friends of those who were going to be crucified hoping to get their man a reprieve by voicing their desire as they knew somebody was gong to be set free as was the custom. Not one person who liked Jesus was there save his close friends and disiples who actually knew he was quietly arrested the night before, all others had not received this news for reasons which were intentional in order to avoid a mob scene with his fans whipped up into a riot like frenzy by this travesty.

    The majority of normal Jews who believed in him were not even aware of his arrest and trial much less present at six am for the release of thug whom they would have no interest in whasoever.

    I can't speak for the bulk of your assertations but I'd say you need a bit of research to bring yourself up to snuff on this particular matter.
     
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    Planet of the Apes, Escape from the Planet of the Apes, Return to the Planet of the Apes are all fictional science. Each day as science progresses more and more people are realizing the magnificent and wondrous power of God. Scientist have already discover the God-particle, they have already learn and they are beginning to distant themselves from Darwin's natural selection and theory of evolution because modern science is learning that humans and all creatures evolved from one single organism that single organism is God or the God-particle and from God came the universe, earth and all living things in their wondrous order. Each day atheist are getting desperate because science and truth is not on their side nor are they on the side of science and truth. The earth is billions of years old and I got that fact from Christian scientist who dig deep to learn about how God created and started this earth and created humans to manage this planet.

    Now is your turn what who how did this universe came about? And if humans evolved from apes or are apes how come apes have stop evolving and from which ape species or kind did each and every human race evolved from??? How come humans keep on evolving into a more intelligent creature while apes have remain the same for thousand of years what happen to that human DNA that supposed to make apes evolved into humans?
     
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    Truly you need to evolved more.
     
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    Facts are important part of science and anything that is to distort science has to be dislike. Humans and all other creatures descended from their own kind. Science has prove the existence of God and that not only humans were created by God but every living things and the facts are right in front of you, you, me, the universe are facts science have so far shown us how the human body function, how the human brain differs from apes, how a a worm can morphed into a beautiful butterfly and how this whole universe move in such organize fashion without planets colliding with each other yes those are my facts and evidence that science is on my side and I am on the side of science unless you can proof me wrong or present scientific facts to proof that God did not created all of this and so far you have not been able to present any scientific facts only fiction and theories that does not conform with reality.
    [video=youtube;-Ip5BAEfZuA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ip5BAEfZuA[/video]

    God created us, guided us and finally we are becoming more independent some of us will become strong grateful children not forgetting our parents others will become ungrateful children and send their parents to retirement homes never to visit them again the only time they'll remember their parents is when they are in need again the same with human and God relationship.
     
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    A. Humans didn't evolve from apes. Humans and apes both evolved from a common ancestor.

    B. The 'human DNA' that you talk about is the DNA that humans developed which eventually caused them to separate from our common ancestor. Apes developed their own new traits which caused them to split away as well.

    C. Humans have the ability to use sensory tools such as mirrors, prisms or more advanced tools like sonar, unlike apes, who don't have this capacity. This is why humans have developed their modern society and apes have not.
     
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    I'm sure you have less than 1% of the knowledge Stephen Hawking has so your opinion would be even more utterly useless when speaking in terms beyond the grave and the reason why people have faith in heaven and the afterlife!
     
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    Apparently you don't understand god particle is a slang term for the Higgs Boson. A discovery that explains mass. It doesn't help your religion it helps disprove it.
    No one reading this knows how the Universe came about and no one reading this will ever know. That's where religion comes in, its derivation is a silly attempt to for controlling humans to explain things we aren't smart enough as a species to know yet. That's why for hundreds of years religious people burned scientists who discovered things contrary to their beliefs.
    And did you just admit humans evolved because I thought you religious people said human didn't/don't evolve, which is it wan?
    Also I could explain why apes evolved differently than humans as well as all the other creatures but you wouldn't understand it because you don't want to so therefore its a complete and utter waste of my time. Its been explained to all of you more than a hundred times on here and you still....don't.....get it.

    Also so nowww the earth is billions of years old because a Christian scientist told you? LOL Gee you better not tell your fellow religious members that they are still adamant that it is only a few thousand years old.
    You guy cant even agree with yourselves.
    And yeah humans are doing a bang up job of managing the planet. So far we have poisoned the oceans, the land, polluted our atmosphere, torture animals for our amusement, invented ways to kill each other in most horrific ways....yeah some managers your god hired there. The planet is better off without us and that's a fact. We are a parasite on its back. Nothing more.
    Also, to remind you I am not an atheist. Not sure why your advanced brains cant retain that.
     
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    Science has not proven Gods existence. Why are you lying?

    And what is the ranting about putting your parents in a nursing home? Does your god not go inside nursing homes? I thought we were all gods children according to you guys?
    I guess when given the choice of being drowned by god in a flood or eating my lunch in a nursing home with my bathrobe on while my game shows are on the big tv Ill take the latter. Plus if your children refuse to visit you when you get older its probably because you treated them poorly earlier in their lives and has nothing to do at all with whether or not god exists.
     
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    I thought humans didn't evolve wan? Which is it? You guys keep flip flopping on this like a fish trying to get back into the water.
     
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    I do not think I have ever seen someone so completely contradict themselves in so few words.
     
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    A. Humans indeed did not evolved from apes and apes did not evolved from humans both humans and apes evolved from their own kind from their own ancestor just like the Japanese did not evolved from Europeans.
    B. The DNA that is found ion humans and apes are separate and are of their own that is why for past thousands of years apes never evolved to become any intelligent than they were thousands of years ago. Humans evolved to become more and more intelligent and we continue to evolved while apes not.
    C. Humans are able to evolved to become intelligent because of the human soul a special soul endowed to us from God that can only be found in humans even the transplanting of human brain to an ape will not make the ape any intelligent like humans.
     
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    The God-particle is the atom of all atom that scientist believe is the building block of all things. Mr. Higgs discovered teh God-particle he did not created it that is why it is called the God-particle.

    Humans evolved to become more and more intelligent just like what God wants us to be so that God can step back and let us take responsibility unlike apes have remain the same since the dawn of time.

    The earth we learn is billions of years old and that the galaxy is limitless because Christian scientist have made this great discoveries and shared it with us unfortunately atheist scientist have been aggressively corrupting science. Many responsible scientist have been warning the world about mismanaging this planet and the church support these scientist call for more responsive actions in protecting this earth and humanity.

    This earth without good humans would not survive.
    [video=youtube;D4mWdz2179M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4mWdz2179M[/video]
     
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    Science has proven God's existence atheist just refused to accept and recognize it that is why they always contradict themselves and have no explanation how things begun or how come humans are more intelligent then apes the apes that they claim humans evolved from. No, there is no lie that scientist have discovered and learn about God they have already discovered the God-particle it is the atheist that lie that God does not exist if God does not exist you wouldn't be here the universe would not he here.
     
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    Humans evolved from cave dwellers to what we are now and we continue to evolved while apes remain the same humans evolved from human kind not from apes as you claim.
    Flip flopping? about what? I know and have been very consistent that this universe was created by God while you have been contradicting yourself from the very beginning you can't even explain where and how did the different human race evolved fro, which ape species or how come apes have never evolved and remain he same for thousands of years the reason is because you have no factual evidence only science fiction and you are getting mixed up with actual and fictional science.

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    I have seen many individuals that contradicts themselves specially atheist and anti God people.
    That is why Christian organizations are always in the forefront of scientific research and discoveries because we are interested in facts not science fiction.
     
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