Genocide In E. Ukraine With U.S. Approval - People Beg U.N. For Help

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  1. Jeannette

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    The animals in Kiev with U.S. backing are now committing genocide on the people of Lugansk. The following is what Francis Boyle, a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law said on July 3.


    "It's clear that Poroshenko has been ordered to do this by the United States government just before ending of the so-called ceasefire. President Putin spoke with France's Hollande and Merkel of Germany and thought he'd reached an agreement to deescalate the conflict, but apparently the Americans ordered Poroshenko to go forward with his offensive."

    "I certainly wish foreign minister Lavrov best of luck on this contact group but the problem is that the Americans want that and I don't think they're going to pay the least bit of attention to anything Lavrov has worked out with the French and the Germans and indeed by July 5 there could be total hell breaking loose over there for the Russian speakers in Donbass, and we could see the whole thing quite quickly collapsing into outright genocide against cities and people there."


    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_07_03...-see-total-hell-breaking-loose-Law-Prof-8125/


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    This is what the animals in Kiev said the same day the residential areas were being bombed:


    "...The attack happened the same day Kiev said it would not bombard armed groups in Lugansk and Donetsk from the air. "The tactics of the Ukrainian Army, the National Guard and the Border Service are such that massive bombardment of residential areas is excluded," Andrey Lysenko, spokesman of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council said on Sunday.

    Air strikes and heavy artillery will target only convoys outside cities, he added. .."


    And this is what is happening now:


    On Saturday, the health minister of the Lugansk People’s Republic said at least 80 people had been treated in Lugansk hospitals after a day of bombing and gunfire from Ukrainian forces. He said 56 of the injured were civilians.


    http://rt.com/news/170772-ukraine-residential-shelling-lugansk/
     
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    Ukrainian nationalists from the west can win only by exterminating the opposition in the south and east. Can they succeed? Only if EU, USA and Russia would not mind. It seems Russia does nothing so far. Diplomatic moves by Lavrov did not work. Why Russia waits until diplomacy will work? I think this is because they do not want to hurt their business ties.
     
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    Russia want's to go into Eastern Ukraine as a peace keeping force, but what's keeping them? Is the U.S. using the lives of the people in the Dombas to get Russia to react in a way that would be detrimental to it? I wouldn't put it past the animals controlling Washington. They're the same ones who gave the terrorist groups Al Nusra five hundred million of our tax dollars in order to continue the war in Syria indefinitely.

    The situation is so horrific, that I can't see anything less than a world war to stop Washington's criminality.
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    They are bombing Slaviansk so that the six million culturally Russian Ukrainians will leave, and their lands can be given to the nationalist soldiers...as promised by Poroshenko and Yats. Stealing land from others is a common Nazi trait...and don't you know, the Democrats have a soft spot in their hearts for :heart:Nazis:heart: and :heart:terrorists:heart:. Didn't Clinton help cleanse one quarter million Serbs in support of the Nazis in Croatia, and later didn't he add another quarter million Serb refugees to help the KLA terrorists in Kosovo?

    And so here's the latest Poroshenko lie:
    :oldman:

    "Ukrainian forces "liberated Slaviansk from terrorists"

    I have news for you Poroshenko, terrorists terrorize people to force them to leave...Uhhh! Isn't that what you and your fellow animals are doing. :confuse:
     
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    I've posted before how NATO is a partner with Ukraine PM Yatsenyuk's private foundation, Open Ukraine.

    It seems that US ties to the post-coup government go beyond that. According to Wikileaks, as far back as 2006, the US State Department referred to Ukraine's current president, Petro Poroshenko, as 'our Ukraine insider'.

    This government is in every way a US puppet. We are responsible for every drop of blood spilled as much as any Right Sector hothead.

    LINK: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38760.htm
     
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    And the fascist propaganda straight from the Russian Ministry of Propaganda continues, we have already proven conclusively through neutral UN observers that it is the Russian terrorists and occupiers who are committing genocide of ethnic Ukrainians in the eastern Ukraine just like they did in Georgia.

    “We are talking of a reign of fear, if not of terror” in the pockets of territory around Donetsk and Luhansk controlled by armed separatists and now experiencing a state of total lawlessness, Mr. Magazzeni said, citing cases of people shot at checkpoints for no reason and members of armed groups who were summarily shot because they no longer wanted to fight.

    “The escalation in criminal activity resulting in human rights abuses is no longer limited to targeting journalists, elected representatives, local politicians, civil servants and civil society activists,” the report stated. “Abductions, detentions, acts of ill-treatment and torture, and killings by armed groups are now affecting the broader population of the two eastern regions.”



    The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

    “They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/w...tails-casualties-in-eastern-ukraine.html?_r=0

    Thanks for playing.
     
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    Debunked fascist propaganda it is the Russian terrorists and occupiers who are the ones committing ethnic cleansing and exterminating ethnic Ukrainians:


    “We are talking of a reign of fear, if not of terror” in the pockets of territory around Donetsk and Luhansk controlled by armed separatists and now experiencing a state of total lawlessness, Mr. Magazzeni said, citing cases of people shot at checkpoints for no reason and members of armed groups who were summarily shot because they no longer wanted to fight.

    “The escalation in criminal activity resulting in human rights abuses is no longer limited to targeting journalists, elected representatives, local politicians, civil servants and civil society activists,” the report stated. “Abductions, detentions, acts of ill-treatment and torture, and killings by armed groups are now affecting the broader population of the two eastern regions.”



    The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

    “They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/w...tails-casualties-in-eastern-ukraine.html?_r=0

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    Voice of Russia, RT and now information clearinghouse, you people must be (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joking, your fascist conspiratorial propaganda gets no play, the Russian pigs on this forum have been exposed as they lying bastards that they are by the neutral UN observers:


    “We are talking of a reign of fear, if not of terror” in the pockets of territory around Donetsk and Luhansk controlled by armed separatists and now experiencing a state of total lawlessness, Mr. Magazzeni said, citing cases of people shot at checkpoints for no reason and members of armed groups who were summarily shot because they no longer wanted to fight.

    “The escalation in criminal activity resulting in human rights abuses is no longer limited to targeting journalists, elected representatives, local politicians, civil servants and civil society activists,” the report stated. “Abductions, detentions, acts of ill-treatment and torture, and killings by armed groups are now affecting the broader population of the two eastern regions.”



    The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

    “They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/w...tails-casualties-in-eastern-ukraine.html?_r=0

    It was Russia that started all of this first with economic warfare in order to prevent the Ukraine's right to self determination which prompted peaceful protests supported by the majority of Ukrainians which resulted in a Russian puppet at the direct behest of Putin, sending in his jack booted thugs to attack and murder the protesters which resulted in his impeachment followed by his treasonous self imposed exile to Russian occupied territory, then what happened next is Russia invaded, occupied, installed an occupation government with Spec Ops holding AKs and rocket launchers in the Crimean parliamentary building during the swearing in of a new Crimean "prime minister" and this was followed by the outright illegal annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory by the Russian Federation through a fraudulent and illegal referendum in which only two options were offered cessation or annexation rather than maintaining the status quo and which did not allow for the majority of Ukrainians to participate.
     
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    who they are ethnic Ukrainians
    [video=youtube_share;wqpKdRnKVVQ]http://youtu.be/wqpKdRnKVVQ[/video]
    majority Ukrainians it is the former Russians.
    How so it happened?
    Everything began well. The intellectuals of the 19th eyelid got under influence of new fashion. To study national culture, dances, music... It was very amusing. But at the same time books and not so ridiculous began to appear.
    With names - No uniform people actually are present. There are Russians who live in Malorossiya and is Mosskville - the Russians who don't have to Russians of any relation.
    Why and from where?
    Ukraine - Malorossiya, the big territory with good climate, the earth, the nature. Many wanted to be an owner in a distance from Moscow. So for example the Polish general Ludwig Miloslavsky wrote - we have to separate the Russian people that they fought among themselves, and then with weak it will be easier (1878 )
    Distempers began in Ukraine, Poles managed to seize some territories in the west of Ukraine (to burn down Pospolitaya). The Russian queen Ekaterina 2 returned these territories...
    To split Russia any way, plans of the Polish Empire and earlier when Napoleon went to Moscow were such, Poles advised to go to it on Kiev. Napoleon rejected this option and lost war to Russia... In Europe revolutions began, new Empires and the countries began to appear. But the most important - Italians, French, Germans start ''feeling'' - Italians, Germans, French... (earlier in the 17th century of uniform French wasn't - there were Gascons, Normans... it is a lot of different languages, then they united and became French. The same and with Germans... )
    In Ukraine at this time there were no such big revolutions as in Europe. But the western Ukraine, part becomes Polish, and still part Austria-Hungary. The paradox - not Ukraine on the map but already there are people who wants to refuse to call itself the Russian and calls itself the Ukrainian. And not simply Ukrainian, and his reference option. (it everything in the majority the former Russians, living long time under others influence, with foreign culture, religion)



    I won't translate everything, but an essence I think it is clear as there were western Ukrainians. And a little more on modern - the Ukrainian historian - the counterfeit (falsifier)
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    His name Stanislav Kulchitsky. (the Pole - the Armenian) This person - the doctor of historical sciences, professor. Curator of all Ukrainian books. To disorder of the USSR it glorified collectivization and industrialization, wrote on this thesis. In Ukraine he writes books about Famine-Genocide,(Golodomor) damning a Stalin mode though Famine-Genocide occurred in the period of those collectivization and industrialization for which Stanislav Vladislavovich received both the candidate, and the doctor of historical sciences. And How he wrote, Famine-Genocide he told. The commission in America was created. On the basis of the interrogated some people, the report on Famine-Genocide was sounded. And only in Ukraine. In three years they untwisted this subject.
    (in my opinion, the scientific community, has to deprive of it a rank of the doctor .such historians have to be imprisoned, but in Ukraine all differently)
     
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    Of course we're responsible for the blood spilled, but in the minds of our Washington sociopaths nothing matters except winning...no matter the cost. Not having the moral constraints hindering normal people, they can see things only in the light of a political game. To them, whoever is able to control people's minds through the lies and spins of the media, is therefore the winner.

    As for this present government in Ukraine, we know it is illegal and a U.S. puppet, if not an outright colony of the U.S. What amazes me is that Yat, Poroshenko, and the Storm Troopers of the Right Sector, as well as the mafia members like Kolomoisky thought they could ethnically cleanse Eastern Ukraine of its original population, and then hand out the Russian land to their Western Ukrainian followers.
     
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    Thanks Jeanette for once again providing the official Russian spin on Ukraine.
     
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    So true, but that's why I come to these forums in the first place. I want every view from Progressive left to NeoCon right is I can decide on my own. Forums are the only place you can get that, so while I disagree with Jeanette I do appreciate the info.

    This situation is such an amazing example of propaganda in the new age world. Both sides do it, however a state run organization like RT has proven to be dismissible.
     
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    There was an argument? All I saw was a swipe at Jeannette.
     
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    It's the Madeleine Albright theory of US diplomacy. "Yes, it was worth it."
     
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    We have an odd interpretation of words here. Junta's have now become democracy in action, and elected officials are not really representative of the people. Independence fighters have now become terrorists in action, and ethnically cleansing an area, has now become a liberation. It seems lies in our American world of 'exceptionalism' are now known as facts, and facts visual and otherwise, have now become spins.

    Hey Webster, where are you? You have to change your books you know? :oldman:
     
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    Well that is the Russian spin on the world.

    Regardless of the facts.
     
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    Government in Exile is another one and Transitional Government.
     
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    WASHINGTON, on July 8. The representative of U.S. State Department Jen Psaki for the first time recognized presence of refugees from Ukraine, however accused of it the pro-Russian militants

    She told that the USA still doubt, in numbers which are presented to the UN because
    those use generally statistics of Federal Migration Service of Russia. At the same time, in Syria, for example, some international organizations which estimate number of the refugees crossing border work, the official told, transfers "Interfax".

    On a question of the journalist, what does she think of statements of refugees what they ran from air-strikes of the Ukrainian army? Psaki answered: "The Ukrainian government protects the country and has the full right it to do".

    ps: Or it obviously silly woman or it big Cynicism ! The full right to do - if the Ukrainian government declared - to all civilians to leave (temporarily) the city. And then to be at war with the militants who stay there. But not at first to bomb the cities with peace people
     
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    I guess she thinks the freedom fighters have planes and are bombing their own people.

    I read that the refugee count is probably five times that amount, because many have friends and relatives in Russia to stay with. Anyway don't blame her for sounding like such an idiot, she is only saying what she is supposed to by an administration that has no concept of right or wrong. They don't dare let the American people know the truth, so when they're asked questions, they have to spin it in a way that will undermine Russia, and make the Nazis look like the 'good guys'.

    Funny how Obama and Kerry were making such a big stink about Assad killing his own people, but it's okay when the Nazis are doing it and the victims are Russians.

    Also wasn't it Nuland and Ashton that kept begging Yanukovich not to stop the peaceful protests in Kiev and to hold a dialogue with them, even though they were setting the police on fire and beating them? So why aren't they saying the same thing now to Poroshenko, when all the people of the Dombas wanted before he started killing them was to hold a dialogue with them?


    The Nazi Right Sector and Swaboda Party are part of the government, and they have an immense hatred towards the Russians. They would kill them all if they could the way the Germans killed the Jews. They see everything that goes wrong as being the fault of the Russians, the same way that everything that happened in Germany before WWII was the fault of the Jews.

    I can understand that they prefer the E.U. since they never were a part of Russia, but shouldn't they have tried to come to some kind of agreement, rather than just starting to kill them? Very evil people, and it seems we're approaching a very evil era.

     
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    Sounds like Putin propaganda to me.

    When is he gonna goad the torpid bear into consuming helpless Ukraine?
     
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    IMHO all these entries into EU it everything a screen for crowd.
    The crowd always and everywhere, trusts in the beautiful fairy tale.
    To oligarchs to them after all all the same that EU or something another. Simply western oligarchs aspired to the power. And they financed the nationalist intellectuals, and intellectuals developed aggressive nationalism. Created fighters (as the Right Sector) East oligarchs - paid money to the Moscow political consultants, arranged holidays for veterans of the Second World War, distributed St.George's Ribbons... generally they had no real protection. Neither the fighting groups, nor a power resource, not distinct and simple - ideology clear to people.
    At the Western intellectuals slogan simple: to beat Russians, to return the Crimea, war with Putler, entry into EU. We will live like in Europe. Finely be came a power the western leader Poroshenko.
    And into the hatred account - hostility, it is possible to check on Georgia. There was very hostile Georgia. Quite recently. Mikheil Saakashvili left, the new government came, and something hostility somehow was sharply reduced, and on the Russian market the Georgian goods (wine, water) began to arrive. Only 5 years passed. And after all Georgians for Russians not relatives and such communications as with Ukrainian, at Russians with Georgians isn't present. So I think when in Ukraine everything will end, at Russians and all Ukrainians good relations will be improved.
     
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    Georgia was hostile because the South Ossettians under the protection of Russian troops were committing ethnic cleansing of ethnic Georgians an ethnic cleansing which continues to this day, and according to the United Nations human rights investigation the Russians are now committing ethnic cleansing of ethnic Ukrainians in the eastern Ukraine as well.
     
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    Ah denying the people hood of the Ukrainians itself. And one wonders why Russians find it so easy to commit genocide against them. Ethnic Ukrainians are Ukrainians who share a common history, culture, and language. Nothing you posted is a valid response in any way whatsoever regarding the undeniable fact that it is the Russians who are now mass murdering civilians and committing ethnic cleansing in the Eastern Ukraine.

    Everytime fascist nonsense is posted straight from the Kremlin Ministry of Propaganda, the facts from the neutral UN observers will be posted as evidence against the fascist lies, this will occur in perpetuity:


    “We are talking of a reign of fear, if not of terror” in the pockets of territory around Donetsk and Luhansk controlled by armed separatists and now experiencing a state of total lawlessness, Mr. Magazzeni said, citing cases of people shot at checkpoints for no reason and members of armed groups who were summarily shot because they no longer wanted to fight.

    “The escalation in criminal activity resulting in human rights abuses is no longer limited to targeting journalists, elected representatives, local politicians, civil servants and civil society activists,” the report stated. “Abductions, detentions, acts of ill-treatment and torture, and killings by armed groups are now affecting the broader population of the two eastern regions.”



    The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

    “They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/w...tails-casualties-in-eastern-ukraine.html?_r=0
     
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    Everytime fascist nonsense straight from the Kremlin Ministry of Propaganda is posted the facts from the neutral UN observers will be posted as evidence against the fascist lies, this will happen in perpetuity so long as the Russian fascist members of Putin's cult of personality who magically appeared in late February early March continue to parrot the Moscow party line:


    “We are talking of a reign of fear, if not of terror” in the pockets of territory around Donetsk and Luhansk controlled by armed separatists and now experiencing a state of total lawlessness, Mr. Magazzeni said, citing cases of people shot at checkpoints for no reason and members of armed groups who were summarily shot because they no longer wanted to fight.

    “The escalation in criminal activity resulting in human rights abuses is no longer limited to targeting journalists, elected representatives, local politicians, civil servants and civil society activists,” the report stated. “Abductions, detentions, acts of ill-treatment and torture, and killings by armed groups are now affecting the broader population of the two eastern regions.”



    The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

    “They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/w...tails-casualties-in-eastern-ukraine.html?_r=0

    Facts are stubborn things, may the light of truth always shine on the darkness of the big lies perpetrated by fascist genocidal swine.
     

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