Conservatives and freedom

I think that religion is rather ridiculous. Being as churches don’t pay taxes I and everyone else are forced to subsidize them. Why are religious people always expecting everyone else to pay their way?

The idea of a god is absurd. Doesn’t matter whose god it is, it’s all made up.

Actually we’d much like it if the right realized that there are ten rights in the bill of rights and not just half of the first and a twisted interpretation of the second. Actually the second amendment doesn’t mention guns does it?

Do you actually think that it is necessary to beat your children? I’ve always thought that one didn’t hit the ones they love. This is one of the subjects that really shows that the right’s idea of freedom is the right to control others. On the talk shows, (they are all right wing) when ever the subject of this kid or another doing something that maybe he shouldn’t, caller after caller calls up complaining that they can’t hit their kids, that people have to have this absolute control over their kids, that the kids will has to be broken, that the parent has to have all this control. No wonder conservatives turn out so twisted around backwards. You know the type, “Heck my ol’ man used to smack me all the time. Look at me I turned out just fine.” Yea right

Never hit my kids, never even really yelled at them. I didn’t give them a strict structure or any kind of religious-like moralizing. Let them talk freely; even let them question me. When the school complained about them, my first thought was, what’s wrong with the school? I was and am friends with my children. By right wing standards my children must be the most horrible kids possible. Somehow though, they are on the leading edge, career wise, as compared to other so-called millennials. Never been in trouble with the law, well behaved, polite, intelligent, well dressed…

What if a sport team called themselves the Jarheads and the fans made fun of Marines by ridiculously pretending they are shooting guns.

 

The only reason conservatives in the United States have any power is because the religious right, more commonly called Conservative Christians exclusively support the Republicans and the Republicans cater to the Conservative Christians. It is a symbiotic relationship.

 

Why is it, though, that the red states tend to have the most low income people? If the conservative rhetoric was based on reality shouldn't the rising tide be rising all boats?

 

Actually i'm not so sure of that. If you did the research you'd see that there are a lot of conservatives that are the religious right.

Many of them belong to groups like the Christian Coalition.

 

I have been a liberal and an outspoken one at that for at least 40 years and have yet to see one of those talking point memos conservatives keep talking about. Oh wait isn't it the conservatives that get talking point memos. Doesn't Carl Rove put out one, the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, Americans for prosperity.. this is where the daily talking points are coming from. And then of course there is talk radio. Oh wait the talk shows are all conservative letting all the good little conservative wanna-be listeners know what positions they should be taking.

My Dad is a conservative as are my brothers. My sister and I earned straight A's in high school and college. We're the liberals. My brothers barely made it out of high school with a diploma. They're the conservatives.

All of my girl friends have been liberal.

 

Funny that you should say that.

It sure seems like a lot of lock-step to me.

I’ve been listening to talk radio lately. Seems the conservatives are big on telling me what I can or can’t do. I can’t recall ever pushing anything that would force others to do things that they didn’t want to do.

Kind of reminds me of the religious question. Religious persons, especially the more conservative ones think that their freedoms rest on their ability to preach at me and to expect me to respect (obey) their dogma. But somehow my desire to not be subjected to religious nonsense is violating their rights.

 

Doesnt matter why, what matters is that your claim that right wingers take most of the welfare is undeniably false.

 

The issues where there is agreement in my post don't force any behavior on anyone, unlike liberal lockstep which insists on behavior.

I don't listen to talk radio, neither left-oriented or right-oriented. Don't watch fox, don't need any of those to inform me.

 

Baloney. That doesn't even include corporate welfare which is BILLIONS per month more than anything collected by the poor.

Plenty of links have already been provided to prove the point - Do your homework buddy.

 

I hate to break this to you, but corporate welfare is not welfare in any form or fashion. Corporate welfare, as the left likes to call it for inflammatory purposes, is nothing more than government targeted tax incentives to incentivize actions from the private sector that is desired by the government. Government incentivized tax incentives are granted from both sides, most often from whom is in power at the moment. On top of that. I have not seen you post even one link that backs up your assertion that right wingers get most of the welfare, but if you want to do so, I will be happy to weigh in on the details of what you posted.

Since you are Mr Truth, clearly you will be happy to get to the honest bottom of this discussion.

 

That's far from being the only reason. Conservatives are very strong in the US on their own. Anyways, point being that your OP is pretty much a strawman as it doesn't really describe the average conservative very well.

I have done research. My general rule is to not claim things unless I actually know it to be so. Unlike others..

Yes, but point being that they are not the same. There's many conservatives, myself included even though I'm swedish, that don't care about religion much.

 

I think most Marines would eat it up. Just like the Florida Seminoles who love the fact that the FSU Seminoles named their team after them (despite the fact that the "chief" who puts the flaming spear into the ground is dressed in Plains Indian garb).

 

They favor the wild wild west, over law and order, undoubtedly.

 

Mine are the same way. One's an Eagle Scout. Different things work for different people. Personally, I find grounding to be a pretty cruel punishment that hurt my relationship with my kids far more than the times I spanked them did. Spanking is over with quickly. Grounding takes a while, and it's hard to make up with a child while they are grounded.

Good parents have a variety of techniques they use with their kids. Your technique of loose structure wouldn't work for all kids and not all parents have the right temperament to use it. Thankfully, it did for yours. My technique of a bit more control doesn't work on all kids or for all parents. It works for mine. Some things work for influencing my older son. Those things don't work with my younger son, and vice versa.

That is why conservatives talk about freedom. Most laws assume that everybody is the same. Real life suggests otherwise. It's kind of ironic that your parenting style is very much rule free, yet most liberals love to impose rules on the population as a whole. (and yes, many conservatives like imposing rules as well). I would like a government that rules the way you do.

I'm not a friend with my kids. My job is more important and more permanent than friendship. Friendships come and go on whims. Friendships assume an equal basis. I will probably become my kids' friends at some time after they are out of the ho use, but IMHO, it's not a good thing for most teenagers (most people I know who are friends with their kids have kids that nobody but other kids want to be around) (note I said most, not all. It has worked for you). That's not to say we don't joke around, and have a lot of fun together.

 

Conservatives are all about law and order. What are you talking of?

 

No, not in the corporate world, they are not. Big money is the only thing that matters here.

 

being pro free market =/= being pro big business. Conservatives aren't in favour of crony-capitalism any more than liberals are. If only liberals would understand the difference between crony-capitalism and capitalism things might actually get done.

 

Corporate cash and the fat cats themselves, are the problem (and they come in both R and D). It's just that the right embraces these dogs openly and proudly, more so than the D's.

 

Why are they the problem? Because they have money? Don't tell me it's simply envy?

 

It's called the right to life. It's the most basic freedom any of us have. If you negate that one, then nothing else you stand for means anything. I don't know why this is so difficult for leftists to understand.

Interestingly, abortion seems to be the only thing that the left wants anyone to have any choice in.



Seriously, could you people be any more backwards?

More nonsense. Who exactly is fighting to stop you from walking your ass down to the gas station and buying a pack of condoms? Nobody, of course. But this isn't good enough for you. You specifically want birth control pills. And even more specifically, you want certain types of pills. And even more specifically than that, you want someone else to pay for them. And when other people don't buy you exactly what you want as you want it, you then rationalize this as somehow being "denied access" to it. It's ridiculous and childish.

Once again, you sure you don't have this backwards?

Yeah, just a bunch of old white men:

 

You're just mad because you can't compete. And it makes you feel insecure. You don't hate successful people. You hate your own incompetence. But you're too proud to admit that so you have to find a way to make everybody else the bad guy.

You know that rage you're feeling right now bubbling up inside of you? That's the sting of truth.

 

Feel that confidence beaming inside of you? That's the stench of arrogance.

 

Hmm... Interesting, regurgitating yet more leftist drivel, yet proclaiming how intelligent you are and how ignorant your supposedly "conservative" brothers and father are. Interesting to say the least.

Now on to some facts, I know, I know, they scare you, but I promise it won't hurt.....
1. I'm not a Republican, never have been, never will be. I am fiscally conservative, then again many people are, even many Democrats, they're called Blue Dogs, look it up.
2. I have been on the DNC mailing list for almost two decades, trust me, those you worship religiously publish talking point memos, they're just as funny and ignorant as the ones the RNC publish, often more so.
3. Unlike you, I do not view politics through a blue lens, I view them with an independent, objective lens. I would ask you to try it, but the shock to your system would probably blow your mind.
4. Lastly, everyone with a minimum of a few working braincells sees right through your pomposity and fallacious claims, however by all means continue, it is always entertaining to watch people implode. Although I must say, it is pretty damn hateful and intolerant to publicly disparage your blood relations... How very liberal of you

Sorry it took me so long to reply, unfortunately some of us must work for a living and actually believe in doing the job we are paid to do rather than surfing the web while at "work"