The Incredibly Failing President Obama

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  1. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    One or two percentage points, depending on the week, isn't going to save your hero. He's steadily going down the tubes.

    From your link:

     
  2. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    My party's not in control.

    And I repeat... poor folks don't have money to play the stock market. You're rooting for the evil rich here. Imagine that. ;)
     
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    ...and you're obsessed with Obama. Imagine that. ;)
     
  4. Bluebird

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    I disagree with you & I was there-that's what I was attemping to explain-I don't agree that you have a valid criticism,especially when you "claim" "you" know we all voted for him "because he is black"-You are wrong!!!!
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    It is of course your false use of the data and attibutions of it you make as I clearly demonstrated and you are unable to refute, but then you knew that from past postings.

    I apply the terms as they correctly apply, for instance when you talk of oil drilling that is not "the economy", so you once again falsely conflate things as you do with the facts as I pointed out.

    My rebuttals are still standing.
     
  6. Bluebird

    Bluebird Well-Known Member

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    " A nod is as good as a blink to a "BLIND" horse"---
    You know there are some of us that would rather venture out & get involved in finding solutions,& then there are some of us that would rather set back,criticize,whine,take Fox news as gospel---- BUT do nothing-Your user name actually says it all about you!
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    It was on a strong uptick and surge before Clinton was elected, he slowed that with his tax increase, admittedly so, and it took the tax rate cuts to kick it back into high gear and revenues into double digit growth.



    True, the slowdown and recession of course cut revenue growth with the surplus halfed before Bush even submitted a budget. Gore - Bush it wouldn't have mattered, the dot.com bust then 911 on top, the already in slowdown and recession.....bye bye surplus.

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    Obama supported and voted for those budges and signed the 2009 in to law you don't inherit what you created.

    Whoop-di-do it is still half again bigger than the worst Bush/Republican.

    Wrong as shown. But even it we take you number that's a swing $636B, Obama and the Democrats a swing over $1,200B TWICE as large............you lose on all fronts give it up.

    Nope, Bush and the Republicans handed Obama and the Democrats a $161B deficit that was falling rapidly.

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    Scroll back, rebutted and unanswered. Not the first time.
     
  8. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've heard it for 5 year years now.
     
  9. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Conservatives claimed Clinton's tax increase would wreck the economy and kill jobs. Instead we saw the longest sustained period of growth post WWII, a record 23 million additional jobs created, poverty levels dropping to all time lows, stock markets tripling even with the correction, the unemployment rate dropping to the lowest level in decades, and the best average GDP growth since the 1960s. Oh yeah, and a then record deficit turning into a surplus.

    Conservatives couldn't be more wrong.

    Revenues and the surplus were growing when Bush took office, before his tax cuts and rebates in 2001.

    Despite the fact that the economy grew by at least 3.3% each year, revenues tanked by hundreds of billions of with the Bush tax cuts and rapid spending increases.

    Golden opportunity squandered.

    Conservatives sources belie your claim.



    The truth is that the nearly 18 percent spike in spending in fiscal 2009 — for which the president is sometimes blamed entirely — was mostly due to appropriations and policies that were already in place when Obama took office. ... Since pictures can convey information more efficiently than words, we’ll sum up the official spending figures in this chart. It also reflects our finding that Obama increased fiscal 2009 spending by at most $203 billion, accounting for well under half the huge increase that year. ... So by our calculations, Obama can fairly be assigned responsibility for — at most — 5.8 percent of the $3.5 trillion that the federal government actually spent in fiscal 2009, which was 17.9 percent higher than fiscal 2008.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/

    When Obama took the oath of office, the $789 billion bank bailout had already been approved. Federal spending on unemployment benefits, food stamps and Medicare was already surging to meet the dire unemployment crisis that was well underway. See the CBO’s January 2009 budget outlook.

    Obama is not responsible for that increase, though he is responsible (along with the Congress) for about $140 billion in extra spending in the 2009 fiscal year from the stimulus bill, from the expansion of the children’s health-care program and from other appropriations bills passed in the spring of 2009.


    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-spending-binge-never-happened-2012-05-22?pagenumber=2

    Listening to a talk radio program yesterday, the host asserted that Obama tripled the budget deficit in his first year. This assertion is understandable, since the deficit jumped from about $450 billion in 2008 to $1.4 trillion in 2009. As this chart illustrates, with the Bush years in green, it appears as if Obama’s policies have led to an explosion of debt. But there is one rather important detail that makes a big difference. The chart is based on the assumption that the current administration should be blamed for the 2009 fiscal year. While this makes sense to a casual observer, it is largely untrue. The 2009 fiscal year began October 1, 2008, nearly four months before Obama took office. The budget for the entire fiscal year was largely set in place while Bush was in the White House.

    http://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

    Having said that, it is impossible to look at the chart and not to see a large ramp up in outlays under George W. Bush — the president who reversed the direction of federal outlays, which had been falling. Indeed, it is perfectly reasonable to argue that much of the responsibility for 2009’s 25.2 percent rests with President Bush, and not with President Obama; in January 2009, before President Obama took office, the CBO released its forecast that fiscal year 2009 would see outlays of 24.9 percent of GDP based on pre-Obama policies.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/09/03/yep-obamas-a-big-spender-just-like-his-predecessors/

    Given that bush inherited a growing $236 billion surplus and Obama inherited a deficit running at $1.2 trillion, soon projected to hit $1.9 billion, it is a big whoop di doo.

    See the above conservative sources contradicting your baseless and lame attempt to blame Obama for the recession and deficit he inherited.

    Until they handed them the worst recession in 80 years.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You've utterly failed to show even one data point is false.

    Good things = "in spite of him". Bad things = "he owns the economy". Your partisan hypocrisy is on the record.
     
  11. Smartmouthwoman

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    You helped get him elected. The country would've been better off if YOU had done nothing.

    Before you get too carried away with the personal attacks... let me say I admire your loyalty. You serve as proof that even the sorriest politicians have fan clubs.
     
  12. Smartmouthwoman

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    What was his approval rating 5 years ago? 65-70%

    Who do you blame for his falling ratings... the tea party or congress? :roflol:

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    Nice talking points... been using those for the last 5 years too?
     
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    All signs point to failure.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...48acf8-05e0-11e4-a0dd-f2b22a257353_story.html


    Will you be working for Hillary next?
     
  14. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's no secret you conservatives thrive on bad news. Funny who the Republicans spend like fools when their guy is in office but we get austerity with the Dem in office. :roflol:

    Probably. I've been seeing the same regurgitated RW propaganda crap here for at least that long.
     
  15. Smartmouthwoman

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    Determined to avoid the topic, aren't you? I don't blame you... really nothing you can say. It is what it is.

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    Chompin on those sour grapes all these years has produced some mighty nasty whine.!
    My,I do believe you are jealous:flagus:
     
  17. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pardon me if I don't put a lot of credence in your-alls forecasts and predictions. You don't have the best track record on it, you know?
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    When does a forecast stop being a prediction and become a reality?

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    I would actually prefer to work for Elizabeth Warren if she would run! (Now ,please SMW,don't come back calling Elizabeth "Pocahontus" like you did in another thread---people might think your racist---just saying---)
    But if Hillary runs,sure,I'll work on her campaign---I love working for our DEMOCRATIC WINNERS
     
  20. Spiritus Libertatis

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    So you don't care that Obama reserves the right to drop a bomb on you from a drone if he feels like it? Or that he spies on everybody? This doesn't bother you at all?
     
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    Calling a liar a liar isn't racist. They come in all colors.

    I'll give you this much.. you're one of the few admitted DEMOCRATS I've met online. 99% of former Obama supporters insist they're 'independents who never supported Obama but hate to see him being treated unfairly by the mean ole GOP.'

    You're a true Democrat. No doubt about it. :salute:

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    It's Obaaaama, dear. If he wants their first-born, they'd hand it over, no questions asked. ;)
     
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    So,I am not a war monger,I would prefer diplomacy,that being said; we have the drones,I would rather use drones then have our troops killed or maimed.
    Where did you get that OBAMA is going to drop a bomb on me? HUH,Please explain that one?
    Newsflash for you---We have been being spied on L-O-N-G before OBAMA entered the picture & in actuality we give so much of our personal information out freely anyway.If one is not paranoid or has anything to hide from,no problem. Sorry,but there is no there there for you to persuade me that OBAMA is "THE" one that is evil incarnate on either of these issues!
     
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    Must be gettin late on your side of the country-You are actually getting FUNNY
     
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    Spiritus Libertatis New Member Past Donor

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    So you had no problem with Bush doing it either I presume? And you do realize that in effect Obama can just order a drone strike on anyone he wants with a swipe of his pen and there's nothing anyone can do about it, even if it's technically totally illegal for him to do so or he's doing it for obscenely bad reasons.?

    Sorry, I don't care how much the government insists we can trust them with all our personal details. If there's one thing history teaches us, it's that some people are power hungry and those people typically end up in charge. Most governments that have ever existed have been tyrannical. Therefore, I do NOT trust Obama or anyone else, for that matter, with everyone's personal details, because the possibility of abuse is far too high.
     
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    So,First,I would like to say,it is refreshing to see your words on here that you see that this spying on us was before OBAMA-HUGE BREAKTHROUGH---
    And it wasn't like it was some big secret-people have been reporting on it for years-I remember the slogan back in the 70's " BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU".
    And,why would you ask if I had a problem with Bush doing it-like I'm going to change my answer because of who is or was POTUS. Weird question,Dude!
    And again,where are you getting that OBAMA is going to or can drop a bomb on me with a swipe of his pen???? I guess I'm going to have to go do some research on that one,cause all you keep saying is " In "effect" OBAMA can just order a drone strike on anyone----"without any explanation or link.
    Yeah,just ask Snowden about his abuse of his credentials-it's yellow bellied thief's like him(Snowden) that I don't trust !
     

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