Genocide In E. Ukraine With U.S. Approval - People Beg U.N. For Help

You know next to nothing about culture, people and languages in Ukraine and Georgia. All you intellectual luggage came from corporates media channels of USA. Time will show. This is far from the end of the story.

 

These people can't be that dumb, they are merely spewing out the administrations' propaganda for their own self serving purposes, I mean can you imagine anyone quoting the N.Y.lying Times. Here's an example of its honesty from the informative site: 'Moon From Alabama':

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"...An 800 words New York times story on some alleged computer hacking of some energy companies mentions "Russian hackers" ten times.

From Hackers in Russia ... Russian hackers have ... Russian hackers are targeting ... The Russian attacks ... an unusually sophisticated and aggressive Russian group targeting ... believed the hackers were backed by the Russian government ... The Russian hackers ... the Russian hacking group ... The Russian hackers have ... the Russian group intended ...

The story includes zero (as in nil, none) evidence and no reasoning at all why the hackers involved are supposed to be 'Russian'..."

 

Dear Jeannette. The war will only make this criminality worse. There's no chance for the world. The only good news can be that now it really seems that the end of the world is near.

 

Perhaps I am missing something only available in the "Russian Conspiracy Times", but since when has the United States been able to influence this region so profoundly, Dayum.....we are way more badass than I gave us credit for.

 

Since the latest Maidan. USAID financed media and groups of people who made a core of Maidan and its media story. When the coup succeed US started to clear the russians from their homeland which after collapse of USSR was in Ukraine as well. After Crimea reunification, which had no blood at all but was called a war) it was US which inspired Kiev to make war and to provoke Russia against the Ukraine. It was vice-president's son who entered the board of directors in a company that received control over soviet built gas tube that is used for gas transportation just because of some papers of EU. Russia has almost completed its own transportation projects, but they are not as easily controlled by US, although they are open for EU participation... And now its an american fleet in the Black Sea and an american initiatives for sanctioning Russia.

So actually it is very bad that americans don't know at least what a nation that has nuclear weapons think of their participation in killing of their brothers. It is very short-sighted because it might lead to unexepected surprises and unncecessary questions. I suggest you try to read something else but just your media. Maybe you will find some information that 'free press' is not allowed to make. BTW have you seen real stories from the battlefields of E.Ukraine? Why only russian 'propagandist' journalists (and one italian) are getting killed there? Ah... You won't check anyway.

 

Yazverg, God bless you. However, as I can see from here, Russian government is just watching the massacre in eastern Ukraine.

 

In the short term, the best hope is for Europe to act in its own best interest, rather than being puppets of the US. France's Finance Minister just a couple of days ago brought up the idea of using the dollar less and other currencies more. France is pissed at the $9 billion fine levied by the US on one of its banks. They also ignored the US and went ahead with the warship deal with Russia. There is a glimmer of hope in that. Now if only Germany could find its backbone.

A little further down the road and the BRICS may be able to grow and have more members. It's becoming an economic force in its own right.

The US knows its days of domination are numbered, so it's going all in to try to delay the inevitable. The question is if the world can survive the transition from, as Putin calls it, a uni-polar world to a multi-polar world.

 

The U.S. is trying to provoke Russia to react in order to drive a wedge between the E.U. and Russia. Russia is trying to work with the U.N. so the Russian troops can go in as a peace force. This of course is the last thing the U.S. wants because Poroshenko's intent is to ethnically cleanse the area and transfer into it Ukrainians from the Western part of Ukraine...or maybe Tatars to please Turkey, something Russia would never allow. This is bound to lead to WWIII so Washington is either very stupid, or it wants a nuclear war ...as has been mentioned by neo cons in Washington.

 

I don't believe in it. To become free there should be a serious motivation. Europeans with all of my respect don't have a chance to get this motivation. If the unrest comes to a far right revolutions and EU will turn into a facistic area with different bands trying to steal a castle higher and a bigger group of peasants it will be even worse. The rest don't have any motivationfor any change.

1. It doesn't change anything for US.
2. Economics never determined the culture. It was culture which determined economics. If France made an uprising not for wages but for independent policy - that would be a change. Even economic destruction of US doesn't change a thing.

No. BRICS is a group of couontries with a cerain tendencies in the economy. That's it.

This is smth I regard as a tragic end of the world

 

What would you suggest? To start killing ukrainians with russian army? To make an ultimatum to the US that if they don't stop there will be a nuclear war?
Russia is accepting all the refuges, tries to organise peace negotiations and gets ready for the war. But a war not with Ukraine...

 

Let's not forget ..... money is power.

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LINK: http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_07_08...e-way-for-US-dollar-substitution-expert-3108/

Recently the western media, namely The Financial Times, have found out that Gazprom and other Russian-state companies are switching their export operations to yuans and rubles. The most common reaction was that Gazprom is trying to do something stupid and unachievable.

Peter Koenig, financial pundit, former World Bank staff and a Voice of Russia regular, told about the hottest trend of global finance: de-dollarization. He also commented on the financial blowback and unintended consequences of the US sanctions and hostile actions against countries in Europe and South America.

"The move towards trading in other currencies than US dollars is not stupid at all," he argued. "It’s an excellent idea. The fact that Gazprom and other Russian and Chinese companies are initiating this de-dollarization action is even better. Why? Because it will lay a solid ground and trust for international trading in non-dollar currencies. There are many BRICS and other countries just waiting for somebody to make the first move."

Peter Koenig also added that these countries are all afraid of ‘sanctions’ and don’t dare stepping out of Washington’s line of command, unless they have another strong leader to make the first move – a strong leader like Russia or China, and if combined, it's even better. Let’s not forget, he added, that China’s economy has just surpassed that of the United States and is now the largest and strongest in the world.

"By and large, the combination of Ruble and Yuan may soon become one currency – maybe the ‘Yuanru ’ or the ‘Ruyuan ’ – that could substitute for the dollar as a reserve currency and eventually together with other international trading currencies like the Euro, replace the dollar altogether,"he said.

"Ideally, the BRICS and BRICS-associate candidates, at least a dozen countries are on that list, would issue a common currency, based on a weighted average of their economic output, a basket of currencies, similar to the SDR – Special Drawing Rights –used among other currencies by the IMF to indebt countries with their so-called ‘rescue packages’. Greece is an example this IMF strategy, among other southern European states. Greece has become Europe’s basket case and Ukraine is on the best way to become another one very soon."

Alexey Kostin, the head of VTB, the Russian state-owned bank that pioneered ruble-yuan trading, told the press that as a result of the US attack on BNP Paribas, the French central bank is now actively seeking to bypass the dollar and institute direct euro-yuan settlement for the French import and export operations.

Peter Koenig commented on the shameless boldness of US institutions, lately US courts.

"After Argentina had reached tacit agreements with its creditors in the early 2000’s to settle it’s mostly Washington - imposed debt, largely accumulated in 1990s, at about 25 cents on the dollar, a US court had recently the audacity to reopen the case and request Argentina to pay up,"he said. "Who do they think they are – these entities of Washington’s legal (sic) system? Interfering in sovereign countries, hoping their one-track decisions supporting US-based financial groups will be honored? The US is threatening Argentina with exclusion from the international credit system. One can just hope that the Argentine Government is not lured into this audacious blackmail. "

US courts and other bullying institutions they simply get away with it, nobody barks, nobody even asks questions, he noted. "

"Look at their US airport security imposing on European countries new ‘security measures’, which are basically an excuse for harassment. The rest of the world is submissive and complacent to the Obama regime."

This is the main reason, he explained, why Washington gets away with murder and nobody says beep; literally with murdering millions of people around the world in the last 20 years, with wars and civil conflicts for power and resources in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Pakistan and the list goes on. No court, not even the international court of The Hague makes the slightest attempt to punish Obama, Bush, Clinton and consortia for assassinations around the globe and for continuously committing war crimes. The Anglo-US propaganda machine has blinded the world into believing these wars are necessary for the good and for the protection of humanity. “War is Peace” as the Washington Post recently suggested.

"Now, another US court has decided to ‘punish’- or to use the classical newspeak word – to ‘sanction’ the French PNB Paribas with some 9 billion dollars, maybe more, for doing business with Iran against which the US has also levied sanctions. Of course, and finally, this action is backfiring, as Paribas, via the French Central Bank is already arranging dealing directly with China with Euro-Yuan financing of international trade."

"The French are well-poised to do the same with Russia and other countries, thereby sidestepping the traditional US ‘clearing’ process. The arrogance of US courts and other US institutions has reached the point where they are not even considering what repercussion their actions might have on the US economy and especially the US dollar. Getting away with bullying and boundless arrogance is hopefully soon reaching the end of the line. The signs are visible," he said.

In the meantime, Koenig added, realizing the backfiring of their bullying tactics, the Obama government has approached Hollande with another attempt of blackmailing, suggesting to reduce the Paribas fine to close to zero, if they would refrain from direct Euro-Yuan trading. One can only imagine that the Obama Administration is estimating the cost and long-term ripple effect of France’s sidestepping the dollar as considerable higher than a one shot fine of 9 or 10 billion dollars.

Russia's central bank governor, Elvira Nabiullina is going to visit China this week and the goal of the visit is to create the framework required for “switching entire sectors of bilateral trading” to Rubles and Yuan. There has been an obvious urgency in the de-dollarization process since the advent of the crises in Ukraine and in South-China Sea.

Peter Koenig therefore believes, that the de-dollarization efforts of Russia and China are a good start.

"Setting the initial stage is a good beginning and will certainly enhance credibility in an alternative monetary system around the world," he said. "However, this move is not meant to be an isolated step. International trading in local currencies, no longer using the dollar denomination for determining contract values, has been practiced among the BRICS, including some others, like Argentina, already for a few years. However, under those arrangements dollars could still be used for payment."

Under the scenario initiated by Russia and China, he said, the dollar would no longer have a role. Payments and international transfers would not pass through the US dominated clearing systems – NY-based Wall Street banks and the BIS (Bank for International Settlements), but would require currency swaps among the two central banks of the trading partners, so as to build up reserves in their respective currencies.

"In fact the concept of diversification from the dollar as a reserve currency has already caught on with otherwise fully aligned countries, such as Australia. The Australian Central Bank recently declared that in the future it will hold at least 5% of its reserves in Chinese Yuan. This may rapidly increase as the China-Russia Asia market orientation solidifies and grows. After all, Australia is a close neighbor and partner in the growing Asian realm."

The vision is to gradually create an all new monetary system, where other countries would join in creating a basket of currencies based on the value of their economies. Ideally this would be initiated by the BRICS and some of their allies, accounting together for about one third of the world economic output and half of the globe’s population.

"In today’s world, stopping wars and conflicts and US ‘sanctions’, political bullying and blackmail is urgent," he said. "De-dollarization, the reduction on the demand for dollars, may accelerate the process. But harmonizing economic and monetary policies within unequal partners like the BRICS may be a slow process. In Europe it has taken more than ten years until the euro emerged, and it still resulted in an unequal and unbalanced partnership. This must be avoided. Therefore, a longer process may be justified. In the meantime, the world cannot wait stopping the economically and physically destructive bulldozer, the Washington directed NATO killing machine."

The first step, a Russian-Chinese framework to switching entire sectors to bilateral trading in Rubles and Yuans, away from the dollar, will already drastically reduce demand for the dollar, said Koenig. It may also pave the way for an even more solid solution, a new combined Ruble-Yuan currency. Once established, it may be sufficient to attract more following in the use for trading and foreign exchange reserves, especially realizing how fast eastern economies grow, while the west is struggling avoiding faltering altogether. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Ukraine may be just the square on the chess board, where the arrogant eagle will be out-maneuvered by the dragon-bear wisdom

 

Washington invested five billion in Ukraine via Victoria Nuland and certain NGO's for a regime change. She said it in a video, only she didn't call it a regime change, she said it was to advance 'democracy'...which in Washington lingo really means a coup. I assume that was the money feeding the protesters, otherwise how could they have lived without working for so long? I'm not sure though, because Markus the German on the forum said that Merkel was feeding them. There is also a recording of Nuland telling the American ambassador to Ukraine, who she decided should be the next president. (It could be found on Youtube)

The point is that the protesters all came from the Western part of Ukraine which has a traditional animosity towards Russia that goes way back to the time they were put under the Pope and were part of the Polish and later the Austrian Empire. In contrast the rest of Ukraine remained under the Moscow Orthodox Patriarch, and was always a part of Russia. They are two different cultures with two separate affinities, that's why they wanted to federalize, yet the nationalists from the Western part want to impose their culture on the Eastern part as if all of Ukraine belongs to them.

Basically its expansionism, and the U.S. has given them arms and is encouraging ethnic cleansing because the Dombas region is not willing to bow down to the U.S.'s hegemony. Lavrov keeps trying to put some sense into Washington and tells them that they have to speak to Russia on equal terms before worse comes to worse. In the meantime Russia has prepared for nuclear war by moving all its industries westwards, because they see it as being inevitable.

 

This was a very smart move on Russia's part, because the only way to stop the profilaration of the U.S./Nato war machine before it's too late, is to stop the demands on the dollar as a world currency. Do those idiots in Washington with their grandiose illusions of 'exceptionalism', have any idea what they've done?

 

YES
And the "cure" might be an ever expanding group of "non aligned" nations headed by India and Brazil.
This would break up the factions that could lead us to war and certainly lead all of us to
"economic slavery".


Moi
I'd rather work for the oligarchs,
the benefits packages are better !

r > g

No ​

 

What was news to me was Obama's swift reaction to France. I think it caught him by surprise. May there be more in his future.

From the article:

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"Now, another US court has decided to ‘punish’- or to use the classical newspeak word – to ‘sanction’ the French PNB Paribas with some 9 billion dollars, maybe more, for doing business with Iran against which the US has also levied sanctions. Of course, and finally, this action is backfiring, as Paribas, via the French Central Bank is already arranging dealing directly with China with Euro-Yuan financing of international trade."

"The French are well-poised to do the same with Russia and other countries, thereby sidestepping the traditional US ‘clearing’ process. The arrogance of US courts and other US institutions has reached the point where they are not even considering what repercussion their actions might have on the US economy and especially the US dollar.

In the meantime, Koenig added, realizing the backfiring of their bullying tactics, the Obama government has approached Hollande with another attempt of blackmailing, suggesting to reduce the Paribas fine to close to zero, if they would refrain from direct Euro-Yuan trading. One can only imagine that the Obama Administration is estimating the cost and long-term ripple effect of France’s sidestepping the dollar as considerable higher than a one shot fine of 9 or 10 billion dollars.

R

 

Once you WANT - look for the ways or ask for help.

 

What would be the next step by Washington to "provoke Putin"? Will Poroshekno proceed with his conquering of Ukraine into Crimea?

 

Gee ! That's an interesting question !!

Maybe those spiteful Americans could bring up the subject of holodomor and the estimated 10 million deaths caused by the deliberate acts of the Russian government (Stalin wanted the small farms collectivized so he could claim collectivization promoted prosperity) .

Putin certainly had nothing to do with this , but he was part and parcel of the regime responsible.

 

Putin was a relatively small official under Soviet regime, like millions of other Russians. Now, he is an entirely different man in a different position and in a different Russia. No connection with the past, which had gone forever. This is a mistake not to see that Russia had rejected communist past and became modernized democratic country. Historically, he is a right leader and the right time in Russia and he is doing well. Acquisition of Crimea was a tremendous accomplishment. My question is about the rest of what was designated as Ukraine, a very heterogeneous conglomerate. It is going to fell apart naturally. Actions of Poroshenko in the east will preclude further peaceful solution. People will not forget and not forgive. What Putin will do next?

 

Russia ceased to exist in 1917. It was only one part of the union of Soviet States. Stalin was from Georgia, and Khruschev who was in charge of Ukraine was a Ukrainian. Now what were you saying about the Russians being in charge?

Now I have a better idea, why doesn't Russia sue Germany for sending in Lenin to cause disruption and for being part and parcel of the Marxist ideology, together with the Jews, and the Finnish, Lithuanian, Polish Bolsheviks who helped kill twenty thousand Priests, bishops, monks, and nuns, not to mention burning five thousand churches, many with people in them, as well as the twenty million Russians who died trying to save their nation from an evil ideology?

 

Too many Americans do not realize that today's Russia is not the same as the Soviet Union was. No wonder, if they do not know where Ukraine is on the map. Some graduates know history of Solomon Islands better then history of Europe.

In the former Soviet Union education was entirely under control of Communist party ideologists, humanities in particular. Everyone was supposed to be thoroughly brainwashed since early age. It was a miracle when communist rule disintegrated in Russia relatively peacefully. This happened at a price in a form of loss of large predominately Russian territories, some were left in Kazakhstan and some in so-called Ukraine.

 

They can't provoke by the Crimea! OSCE: The Crimea departed to Russia as a restitution.
From the publication in the Polish newspaper-
As reported the Polish weekly "Wprost".
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The speech about the original text of the resolution of Parliamentary assembly of OSCE in refusal to consider entry of the Crimea into structure of the Russian Federation as violation of integrity of Ukraine.

As the cause of failure — signing by Ukraine agreements on association with the European Union appears on June 27 from the document. It provides an obligatory restitution for all members of EU, even the associated. (A restitution – restoration, withdrawal, return of the former rights and advantages).

Article 1 of the Convention of the Council of Europe of 1950: "Protection of property of natural and legal entities". About it, probably, concepts had no neither the president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, nor his environment.

Meanwhile in the Protocol No. 1 to the Convention the right of members of the European Union for possession of only the property is stipulated accurately. The duty follows from it return illegal, including land possession. Therefore process of accession of the Crimea to Russia OSCE is recognized as a restitution: return to the lawful owner of his territory. For a temporary basis took the status of the Crimea for June 28, 1914 — World War I beginning...

"Wprost" laid out also on the pages Poroshenko's telephone conversation with the president of Poland Bronislaw Komorowski. The last in it suggests Ukraine to enter as a part of the Polish Republic. The new state will call "Zaporozhye Sechyyu" in memory of the Cossack outlaws dispersed by Ekaterina. Ukrainians will be give the chance to spoken the native language out of public institutions. They will be able to become citizens of Poland after seven years of accommodation and passing an examination on the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth stories in the Polish and Lithuanian languages.

http://odnarodyna.com.ua/content/restitucionnyy-udar-po-ukraine
http://www.mngz.ru/

 

Because it is the right thing to do. There is no solution that can be reached with rebels hiding in civilian buildings.

 

This is not going to work. So far, they killed fewer people then Americans get killed by gun violence on daily basis, statistically. Too many to kill and those, who would be left live, will fight and kill nationalists. Government cannot conquer the people by killing.