Legalizing pot a new government sponsored MKUltra program ?

MKUltra was started in 1953 by the CIA to investigate the development of mind control substances for government and military uses. It was completely closed down in 1973 after many institutions and people had been involved and many millions of dollars had been spent. LSD was said to have been developed by this program. And look where that took us.

Now it doesn't take a big stretch of imagination to think legalizing pot may be an attempt by government to develop a nation of moronic followers high on Pot, but without the myths and legends that surrounded MKUltra. It was a real CIA program like the NSA's surveillance of our electronic communications is/was a real program. Why wouldn't legalizing pot be a real government mind altering program under the guise of a tax raising method and a cost reducing exercise that keeps those who use or trade in pot out of prison. Just thinking outside the box.

 

Although LSD was used by the CIA it was not developed by them and it certainly didn't show to have any mind controlling properties.

Marijuana doesn't make people moronic husks that do what others tell them to do. Plus marijuana is being legalized through sheer democratic will, not as mandate from the federal government.

 

Uh, no. The powers that be are fervently opposed to legalization of any drug that doesn't come from a government approved pharmaceutical lab. Marijuana is good medicine that grows in your back yard, so wall street can't make any money off of it, and neither can the lawyers, or cops, or the doctors, or anyone else who lines their pockets with prohibition money.

 

I seriously doubt it. Cannabis is great, I'm about to get high now. I'm putting myself through university with a solid job and saving up for a deposit on a house. I'm no moocher. On the contrary, I'm very pro-independence and pro-liberty, and I see cannabis use as a small component of that.

No doubt it's not for everyone - exercise some caution, it's your health. I'm not too concerned with it being legalized - the system works fine as it is. The black market is far more free than any government-regulated white market. Just look at tobacco, I wouldn't trade legality for all those regulations in a million years.

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In addition, this flies completely in the face of any possible motive government could have. They don't want you to be lazing around the couch all day (unless you're on welfare) - they want you producing more and more so they can claim credit for a drop in unemployment and a rise in GDP.

Finally, the Federal government has fought this every step of the way. Only now, 90 years later, are they beginning to not imprison you for the heinous crime of gardening, and only then when your state has said it's okay, and even then they don't always live up to that promise.

 

Exactly, they have a very convenient cartel running. Convenient for the pharma companies and the politicians, that is. The former gets a monopoly enforced by law and men with guns, the latter get a lot of extra votes. Plus they get to play the moral indignation card - that's a powerful one!

 

Does not surprise me at all. Many of the "pot legalization" forces behind the scenes were getting it passed were large,Centralized Government oriented. I think pot was legalized in an effort to keep us high so we wouldn't care about how screwed up the country is getting. And to think Lawyers don't some how stand to gain from pot legalization is naïve. Pot usage has increased exponentially in my state and the deleterious effects of it now being "legal" are yet to be revealed. While I'll admit few will use it responsibly. The vast majority of users will not.

 

At least I am not alone with my conspiratorial thoughts. The trouble is there seems to have been precedence for subsuming the population with drug programs. Why shouldn't someone like Obama think he could get control this way. Because he sure ain't in control the more normal democratic or political way.

 

Well I've never smoked or used pot in my life, never had a reason to, but of all the drugs out there, it' seriously has to be the least threatening. So far more than 90,000 people have died from legal prescription drugs in the US this years alone. This is a mass epidemic that is being totally ignored by most media, and why? Because big pharmaceutical industries pay big money to keep it quiet.

As for the number of pot related deaths? I can't even find 1 example. Willie Nelson is a regular pot user, how old is he now? Other than maybe DUI, pot doesn't pose as much of a impact on people as another very legal drug, alcohol. I recall a lot of people said it was wrong to outlaw booze and it was illegal for a time, which led to the significant rise in organized crime and the birth of the Mafia.

If you are against the legalization of pot, then you must belong to one of these groups.

 

Some of art and film's greatest masterpieces were created under the influence of pot.

The founding fathers smoked pot while writing the constitution, bill of rights and declaration of independence.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about???

Besides that, pot doesn't give a severe enough, or long enough high to be effective as a Mind Control tool.

I think pots legalization comes more from a call to legitimate freedom, than from a govt mind control scheme.

Pot occurs naturally and is no different than salt, or pollen, or water.

You're thread is bordering ridiculousness, and is in no way "outside the box".

 

people that use the magic herb tend to be calmer, think outside the box and promote love not war

http://eazysmoke.com/marijuana-quotes.htm

"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."
- Albert Einstein quote on Hemp"

looking in a mirror wondering if he would be able to see his reflection if he was going the speed of light..... talk about thinking outside the box....


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to be fair.. if you want a cigarette without government mandated carpet glue, you can legally make your own....

 

And so another intelligent American becomes unemployable, IMHO and an Obama Clone.

 

A person stated that he smokes weed and has a "solid job" and from that you get that he is unemployable because he smokes weed? Now I have to wonder if abstaining from marijuana has a detrimental effect on the powers of inference...

 

Simply because we have a Commerce Clause not a Prohibition Clause.

 

Not an American and not an Obama-clone. I work 30 hours a week while doing a full time undergrad degree. I'm on my way to home ownership. I have taken no entitlements beyond my student loan, which I benefit from far less than my tax paid to-date.

I'm at best an anarcho-capitalist, at worst a political nihilist. The idea of supporting any establishment candidate, let alone a Democratic one, let alone Barrack Obama - is repulsive.

That is a good point, but a property right includes the ability to voluntarily trade with others without interference. If I want to sell cigars with a label of my own choosing I should be able to, if I try I will be arrested. If I want to allow my patrons to smoke on my property I should be able to, if I try I will be arrested. The tobacco laws are absolutely insane in Australia, as is most other morally indignant legislation. A quite significant advantage of cannabis being illegal is that we don't have to deal with such nonsense - the black market allows all. If you don't want to show ID you don't have to. If you want a delivery any time of the day or night, you can. You don't have to pay attention to 9am-9pm licensing regulations.

There are downsides, but it's all about the effort you put into finding a reputable source. Not every dealer is a thug, some are quite preferable to even the most able and willing liquor store owners. The service I receive is entirely within my control - that's a liberating feeling, much more so than my experience buying watered down, overpriced Australian rebrews of imported beer, or being unable to view images of cigars I want to buy because it violates the plain packaging laws.

 

That would be most unwise. Cannabis use correlates with political radicalism. In addition, cannabis is still illegal at the Federal level - heavily illegal. The only reason Obama doesn't send armies of DEA agents into Colorado and Washington is that a significant portion of the voting public would view it as a transgression of the rights of the people in those states to govern themselves as they see fit.

It's the perfect storm - the pro-states rights crowd doesn't want to interfere, the typically anti-states' rights crowd doesn't want to interfere because this time it's something they like that's being repressed by the Federal government. The younger generation has tried it and enjoyed it, the older generation remembers Woodstock and Monterey. It hits all the demographics.

Drug prohibition is a symptom of government oppression - a relic from the progressive era which introduced the entitlement state, interference in the economy, high taxes, restrictions on free speech, global interventionism, etc. You're really on the wrong side on this one.

(*)(*)(*)(*) Obama, (*)(*)(*)(*) what he thinks. Think for yourself as an individual and decide if smoking a plant is coercive.

 

Marijuana legalization is being funded by George Soros. It's part of the globalists' agenda to stupify people and make them subservient. Soros wants to turn our brains into putty so he can mould us into nutty putty.

 

Good for you, I was the same at your age and now at 53 I still get high and own 43 acres from hard work...

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I see you're one of the first editions...

 

From the quote of Nixon, it seems he had some good thoughts apart from his Watergate misdemeanors.

 

Prohibition is worse than even the CIA on American soil.

 

Not trying to talk myself up, most stoners I know are productive members of society.

 

I have just dipped my toe in the waters of
learning real history, not the sort of history
that is peddled in school, and I'm curious
to know how that "Founding Fathers smoked pot"
claim is arrived at? Please tell me more.

 

No it's not. The legalization drive is being funded by George Soros and he's been funding a massive propaganda campaign too. You have to ask yourself why he would be doing that.

 

Couldn't you just as easily assume the same for alcohol or prescription drugs?

The reason this doesn't make a whole lot of sense is that MKUltra was a controlled experiment. It wasn't something done out in the open, and pot doesn't work very well for "mind control" purposes. About all it accomplishes is making people sleepy and hungry.

I mean, maybe Frito-Lay has some plans with the government for capitalizing on a nationwide munchies binge, but that seems a bit of a stretch.

 

Most I know are not! So which anecdote will you accept. Let me guess.............................................