Protest At Russian Embassy In Kiev Gets Ugly

Now that you mentioned Poroshenko, I picked up a few things about him. He is presented as making his money in chocolate, but he is a member of the Ukrainian mafia, and like the Italian mafia in the U.S., decided to legalize his enterprises. His real money was made in prostitution and drugs, and like many other racketeers in foreign countries, worked as an agent for the U.S.

I also read that Monsanto the infamous GMO company, wants the fertile Ukrainian land in the Eastern part of the country. Of course I don't know how true this part is, but I read that Putin warned them that if they started their GMO projects in Ukraine and began killing of the bees, he will start a nuclear war.

 

Your analysis completely ignores U.S imperialist motives that underscore the PNAC. The tensions we are witnessing in the Ukraine cannot be divorced from U.S imperialism. People who fail to understand that it's the competing imperialism's that exist among the major powers' which is the driving force for wars and conflicts throughout the world, are the same people who fail to understand how the world really works.

 

The thing about the 'Russia is the bad guy' meme is that it depends on ignoring several key factors.

To begin with, this whole thing didn't start with Crimea, which is where Russophobes want to begin the narrative. This is ignoring reality, unless you want to blame Russia for:


:sending Right Sector members to Poland in September 2013 for training in crowd management and control and combat training.

: the use of TechCamps by the US in Ukraine to organize protests.

: the fact that the current PM, Yatsenyuk, was one of the loudest voices egging on the protests once they began.

: the now famous '(*)(*)(*)(*) the EU' phone call where Nuland and Pyatt are discussing who would be in the new government a full month before Yanukovych was overthrown.

: the fact that Yanukovych was overthrown the day after signing off on reducing his power and early elections.

: the fact that the coup was unconstitutional and the junta in Kiev was never recognized as legitimate by either Crimea or the eastern regions.


Other than those minor details, yeah, a case could be made that Russia is the bad guy.

 

The US has made a foreign aid package to El Salvador contingent on them using Monsanto GMO seeds.

No reason to think it would be any different in Ukraine.

 

I haven't read PNAC so I am not going to comment on it. Even if what you said was the truth. The fact is that now it is Russia who is the aggressor. Your choice is to support the far right and her over your own people and liberal democracy.

It is quite possible to fight other concerns but you are going so far as to support the take over of Europe by Russia. You are supporting Authoritarianism, homophobia, minorities as subordinates and people knowing their place through religious means all because you do not like the US. Pretty much shooting yourself in the foot because of it I would say. Let me say again what I see you doing. You claim they know both want imperial power. You choose to support one. That one is Russia. I support no imperialists.

 

What you're saying is a complete fallacy because you don't know history. Now either you're ignorant about the situation in Ukraine because of propaganda, or you are saying it for some political agenda. Ukraine is a divided country. It has always been a divided country. The people in the Eastern half are close to Russia, not only in the language but also in their religious faith. They belong to the Moscow Patriarchate while much of the Western part belongs to Rome. They are two different people.

The city of Lviv where most of the Maidan protesters came from is a Polish city, and it was ready to separate and unite with Poland if Ukraine did not join the E.U. That area is very poor and the E.U. does not want it without the rich Russian area in the East and South. In other words they want to do what Western Europe has been doing for the past thousand years, and that is steal the lands from the Eastern Orthodox people the way they did from the people in the Middle East.

The reason they hate Russia is because Russia has always had the power to stop them from stealing their land, and because Russia will never accept the skewed values the West keeps trying to impose on it. Bravo Russia!

 

No Darling that is what you are doing because you so can't wait to see everyone practising Christianity again. I began with no side and any position I have taken is because of a great deal of study and my values. Your values, everyone being Christian fits with the current Duginism which Russia is exporting. Not my values.

 

Stop projecting. Russia is not exporting anything, it simply refuses to have the skewed values of a 'neo 'pagan' U.S. and E.U. imposed on them with all its lies, hypocrisy and murder. Unless you haven't noticed it is not the Russians who are bombing and burning civilians in Kiev or Lviv, it's the other way around. But then again, maybe you haven't noticed what with the lies of our controlled media and press.

 

Yep, all artificially created countries are divided countries that can only exist if the interests of all different parts of these countries are respected, and that is not always possible.
Ukraine cannot exist as a country, that is hostile to Russia, because the Soviet Ukraine was carved out from former Russian land and many millions of Ukrainian citizens define themselves as Russians.

That may be a good idea. Just divide Ukraine between Russia and Poland, and every part will be happy.

That cannot be done without the ethnic cleansing of huge areas of former Ukraine from millions of native people.

 

Homosexuality have never been respected in eastern and southern Ukraine among Russians. If this is what you are trying to defend, this is not a Russian value.

 

Alexa, the PNAC is crucial to understanding the U.S imperialist war drive and Russia's understandable (from it's perspective) - albeit illegal - response to it which, contrary to your preposterous assertion, does not involve a Russian takeover of Europe. I want to be clear on this. I do not support imperialism whether that be Russian imperialism in places like Chechnya and Dagestan, or U.S imperialism in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. This is not a Manichean question of taking sides either way. Such an analysis is overly simplistic. The underlying competitive logic pertaining to international relations is far more complex and nuanced than that.

 

No one has accused Russia of being open-minded, tolerant, progressive, civilized, respectful of those who are "different". Russian "values" have hardly changed in the last 1,000 years or so. Peter the Great was fighting against the russian narrow-mindedness and backwardness...clearly he lost.

 

Maidan - man tells about the attack purposes on the Russian Embassy
You have to see these deg***tes !
the journalist asks questions - is marked with bold text



What results you want to achieve, what you want to tell?
We want to tell the whole world on how many Putin let loose the hands.
Our Ukrainians our soldiers perish. And we want to protect them .
From whom?
From Russians.
Because in their death it is already proved – Putin is guilty.
By whom it is proved?
AAEE what i can say to you... the weapon which shot - it was found - it is Russian .
Well I precisely don't remember... but precisely Russian.
And where from this information?
It is all from the Internet. Facebook.
Why you brought here tires? What are you going to do with them?
To burn !
And when you intend to burn down them?
When more people will gather.
Whether and you are ready to any dialogue with diplomats if they come in to talk?
Yes we are ready.
And what you would like to tell them?
What they good.
What is your name?
Oleg

[video=youtube_share;OFXikTWrb3s]http://youtu.be/OFXikTWrb3s[/video]

 

Ukraine's Foreign Minister, who went to the protest and called Putin a "(*)(*)(*)(*)er", has been fired. Good riddance to bad trash? Nope. Porenshenko immediately offered him another diplomatic post. Wonder which country will be graced by this exemplar of diplomacy?

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Link: http://rt.com/news/167084-ukraine-fm-fired-effing/

Ukraine’s foreign minister, Andrey Deshchitsa, who called President Putin a “f**ker” in a chat with protesters who vandalized the Russian embassy last week, has been fired. His new posting, however, could be as ambassador, perhaps even to Moscow.

A total of 319 Ukrainian MPs voted in favor of firing Deshchitsa on Thursday, well above the required simple majority of 226 votes. Meanwhile, newly-elected President Petro Poroshenko declared that he wanted to thank the former FM by offering him another diplomatic posting.

“I want to separately thank Andrey Bogdanovich Deshchitsa. I can say that I offered him to head one of Ukraine’s foreign diplomatic missions and he accepted the offer,” Poroshenko said after the parliamentary vote.

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Russia has an embassy in Kiev?