U.S. discloses intelligence on downing of Malaysian jet

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  1. Rotshild

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    The main evidence ....

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    Russia isn't. Russia is interested in giving dangerous military technology to a bunch of poorly trained terrorists who can't tell the difference between a passenger airliner and a military transport.

    Until after they've blown it up and announced the crime on their Facebook™ page.






     
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    [video=youtube;LIGT7meNh6o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LIGT7meNh6o[/video]
     
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    There is absolutely no evidence other than social media sites which the criminals in Kiev love to make, and which was even admitted by American intelligence officers when pressured by reporters. One of these recordings on Youtube was dated the day before the accident occurred and as soon as they realized it they took it off, but it was too late. Hundreds of people had seen it. Being caught in lies though, doesn't bother our con man Kerry as he blusters away accusing Russia for everything under the sun, since the intent is to fill American consciousness with visions of Russian aggression so we can go to war. There is no other reason for it.

    Here's a reality check from the knowledgeable and informative 'Moon of Alabama':


    ...After the U.S. blustering "we have evidence" that Russia did it and then showing nothing of it - "just trust us" - the U.S. seems have lost all interests to really find out who's ammunition downed the plane. Russia had early on called for an international investigation and it was Russia alone so far which presented real evidence on the case. U.S. ships with very capable missile defense radars were in the Black Sea over the last weeks and likely have very detailed track records of every flight and missile launch up to several hundred of miles away. None of those have been made public. We can guess why...

    And here's the recent propaganda from our masters of chaos. As one person said, the Soviet Union did not die, it simply came here:


    ...American officials, citing military intelligence, including satellite images, warned that Russia appeared to be preparing to arm the rebels with more high-powered weaponry — including tanks and armored vehicles — than it had previously supplied. In Kiev, a military spokesman said that Ukrainian troops were coming under increased fire from the Russian side of the border and that the Ukrainian military had recently shot down three Russian surveillance drones. One was used to target a Ukrainian base near the town of Amvrosiivka, which then quickly came under heavy rocket attack, the spokesman said...

    Again these are just claims. Not one of the "satellite images" cited was presented.

    Clearly the powers who be do want a war with Russia. A cold one for now but a hot one, destroying Europe's production capacities, would even be better for the rather tepid U.S. economy.
     
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    what will you say when Putin admits that the rebels shot down MA17?
     
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    The simple truth is the West (The United States, UK, and Israel primarily) not only financed the overthrow of the Ukraine government but were also behind the "false flag" operation resulting in the downing of the Malaysian flight. Russia is innocent. They are simply the patsy being blamed for this tragedy. Wake up people. Check out Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, one of the few American patriots telling the truth about this situation. The West wants war with Russia, China, and Iran and wants it in the worst way. Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote the book about it in 1997 called The Grand Chessboard. Please wake up before its too late.
     
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    Far as I know, Obama hasn't actually released the images he claims to have. Whereas Russia has released theirs. This is a problem since Obama has no credibility to begin with. Stories like this, where people say the images show something else entirely, are impossible to disprove if Obama doesn't release our images.

    Obama's excuse is that if they release the pictures, it will give insight into US satellite camera technology... that is a pretty incredible claim. Since when does looking at a picture tell you how to build a camera?
     
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    I don't think it was ever in question that the ukranian rebels likely did this, nor that the russians were arming them. They weren't buying tanks and anti-aircraft weapons at their local donetsk wal-mart. Also, even if it weren't them, and there was some sort of massive conspiracy to cover something done by the ukranian government up (which I don't think is the case), it's not like the US government would out that, especially if they were the ones perpetrating it. I don't really see this as adding anything but more information pointing in the direction that everyone was looking anyway.
     
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    The simple truth is the West (The USA, UK, and Israel, primarily) are behind the overthrow of the legally elected Ukrainian government as well as the downing of the Malaysian flight. The West wants war. Just check out Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, one of the few honest people left with the courage to tell the truth. Obama, W., Clinton, and H.W. are all traitors of the worst kind, puppets of the ruling international bankers. Wake up.

    Why do you think the BRICS countries are trying to get away from the U.S. Dollar? By kicking the dollar to the curb, by taking away its status as the world's reserve currency, they can most effectively STOP the West's aggression. The West is the most evil and wicked organization in world history right now, totally out of control. EVERYTHING coming out of Obama's mouth, Kerry's mouth, McCain's mouth, etc. are LIES.
    If only we had an honest politician or judge or media personality to blow the whistle and stop this madness.
    The wreck is coming. It is inevitable I am afraid. The vast majority of Americans are simply too ignorant or too afraid to do the right thing and DEMAND justice. All three branches of the US Government are just too far gone I am afraid....Corrupt and broken, beyond repair.
     
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    Excellent post !!

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  11. Face. Your

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    Overt lies, the SU-25 max ceiling is 10 feet below the altitude which the Malaysian plane was flying.
     
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    Paul Craig Roberts is a 911 twoofer paleocon nutjob who hates the EU and has absolutely 0 credibility. This begins and ends with Russia, first they waged economic warfare on the Ukraine, then Putin ordered his puppet Yanukovych to attack and murder his own citizenry for having the audacity to peaceful protest their government for a redress of grievances, then they invaded the Ukraine unprovoked and annexed their sovereign territory through a fraudulent referendum, they are now aiding the Russian terrorists by providing them weapons and training, mind you these terrorists have been deemed by the neutral UN investigative team to be perpetrating mass murder, and kidnappings of civilians as well as ethnic cleansing in the Crimea. Furthermore; we have concrete audio intercepts and posts on social media an hour before the crash was reported to being responsible for the downing of the Malaysian airliner.

    Seeing as you obviously support the murder of protesters by the state you are not one to talk about the citizenry "demanding justice" from their government. The US is a liberal democracy, Russia is an authoritarian fascist state and Putin is a war criminal.

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    The Russians released laughable stills and claimed it was an SU25 when an SU25 can't even reach the altitude claimed by the Russian military, the assertion that Putin has any credibility let alone more credibility than Obama is laughable on its face.
     
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    The claim wasn't necessarily that the SU-25 shot the plane down, but that the proximity raised some questions about Ukraine's involvement. It is still more than Obama has released.
     
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    lol@prison planet and all around conspiracy nut job Paul Joseph Watson, Robert Parry claims that his unidentified source is claiming that satellite photos could make out beer bottles, freaking spare me this nonsense. Furthermore; the US has released the images and it shows the fact that they were in rebel held territory and being transferred back into Russian territory to hide Russian complicity in this atrocity.
     
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    They're clearly throwing bull(*)(*)(*)(*) against the wall and hoping something will stick, they claimed that the SU25 was somewhere which it couldn't possibly be IE 32 thousand feet.
     
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    I have no doubt that there are lies and propaganda coming from the Russians. The problem is that we can't trust our military either as their record of spewing lies and propaganda is a long one.

    The Military, be it there's or ours, is a propaganda machine.
     
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    I don't remember them claiming that, just that it was near the plane shortly before it was shot down.
     
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    Here is one of the images they provided, they claimed the SU25 was at 10 thousand Meters in the caption:

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    It clearly says H 10000 M. IE Height 10000 Meters.
     
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    Well, I'll tell you what I do know. I haven't read any claims that the satellite photos released by Russia were altered or faked. They have photos besides of the alleged fighter plane. Some sources claim an Su-25 can reach 10k meters and others say that they can't. I doubt either of us are qualified to know if an Su-25 can reach 10k meters or not. Maybe it can't. What I do know is that in life, I have learned to believe the guy who has something before the guy who has nothing and so far Obama has released nothing.
     
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    Sukhoi says they can't I think they know the specs on the planes that they themselves built. Provide said photos and evidence of when they were taken.
     
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    I checked their website and their ceiling is listed as 10k meters. It's entirely possible that they recently changed it. That said, I don't have to prove that Russia provided satellite images, that's not in dispute. I think my point stands, the idea that the US would compromise satellite camera designs by releasing pictures taken by them sounds incredible to me. If I could build a camera from looking at a picture I'd be in the camera business.
     
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    They changed nothing:

    Service ceiling (without external ordnance and stores), km 7


    http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su25k/lth/

    Furthermore; your assertion that Obama has released nothing is just plain false, read the OP, that's what this thread is about they have released satellite images in addition to many other pieces of evidence.
     
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    That's weird since I was looking at a website that is mostly in Russian. I think it may be naive of you to be so trustful of Obama, who has been caught lying about serious things like the NSA many times, even though he released none of the key evidence purporting to show the missile path.
     
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    This is the official website of the Ukrainian State Enterprise "UKROBORONSERVICE." Characteristics of the SU-15.
    Practical ceiling, m: 7.000-10.000 meters. Do you have more questions?
    STATE COMPANY "UKROBORONSERVICE", Su-25
     
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    I looked around about this. The 'ceiling' of the SU-25 is listed at 7,000 meters. What is not often being mentioned is that 7,000 meter ceiling is what is known as the 'service ceiling'. That is different from an airplane's 'absolute ceiling', which is higher for any plane. The Russians say the SU-25 can reach 10,000 meters for a short time.
     

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