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In the 1900s there were around 8% Jews in the Palestine area. In the 1940s there were 31%. So you had mass migration of Jews in Palestine, especially during the Nazi era for obvious reasons. Fine, that's understandable.
But then you have the Balfour Declaration where the British promise to turn the Palestine area into a home for the Jews and denied the Self-determination principle to be applied for Arabs. And then finally you get the 1947 UN partition plan which gave 43% of Palestine to the Arabs and 56% to the Jews with Jerusalem under international rule. And to top that the Jews proclaimed independence and the creation of Israel, the Jewish State.

What nation/population in their right mind wouldn't react to something like this? Of course the Arab nations attacked "Israel". It was a natural thing to do and it was also foreseen by Ben Gurion and others years before and that's why they started preparing for this by importing guns and ammunition.


To put it in another way, you had mass migration of mostly Central and Eastern European Jews to Palestine in the span of 40 years and when they were enough and had enough support from the Great Powers in the world they demanded the creation of a Jewish state right smack in the middle of an Arab population. And based on what? The fact that 2000 years prior there was a Jewish state there? This would be one of the funniest things I heard if it weren't true. Leaving aside the huge time period that had passed for anyone to claim property rights on a land, in what way can you prove that the Central and Eastern European Jews were the descendants of the Jews that lived there 2000 years ago? By looking at their complexion I'd say they are more the descendants of Slavic and Germanic peoples.

 

The coming days will see a great many funerals. I mourn for those who will die. So much hate.

 

In schools were told all the truth, well maybe not all, but most of it. We learn about Jewish Terror Cells and acts pre-1948 just as we learn about palestinian terror cells and acts, theres no re-invention of history there.

and good thing you ignored the rest of my post(as you usually do) so I will say it again just for you:

 

I know about the migration stories so I really have no reason to read all this, Jews did start to migrate to Israel in the end of the 19th century and ues there were a palestinian majority here. BUT palestinians sold their land to jews, palestinians sold their land to people like Rotshild who founded the first jewish villages here in Israel. ofcurse not all the land and resolution 181 gave a lot of new land to the jews, but theres a reason for it. Arabs had already received a country just moments away in Jordan, Jews who just survived the holocaust and were stuck in europe and the anti-cemitisem was getting to new highs even after the holocaust, so people were looking for a solution for the "jewish problem" and that was the best one, and that was a fair one aswell. 45% of the land was offered to the arabs including access to water sources, access to Jerusalem and some other stuff that were involved. And again, after resolution 181 it was the arabs who lunched war and declared that they are going to kill us all, love us or hate us, you can surelly understand our right to fight back againts such threats.(or you can't, iv'e seen some wild arguments here in the past so I wouldnt be surprised.)

 

Is Judaism a race or a religion? The other day I seen a Mexican who said he is Jewish?

Why is Judaism a race and religion and why is Christianity only a religion? Something smells fishy?

 

Then I won't bore you with more historical data.
But don't kid yourself, this was not a fair solution for the Arabs already living there. And that's why they'll always hate Israel. And if your government continues on its course to settle the West Bank with Jewish only towns and to enclose Gaza and pound it to submisson then don't be too surprised when the Arabs declare a third Intifada and you go back to bus and main square suicide bombers.

Edit: yes, I read about the land purchase, but that comprised only 6% of the total area of Palestine.

 

This is what I cannot understand how can you think it is fair to take another's land, where do you zionists get your sense of entitlement from?

 

Judaism is an ethnicity, most Jews share a common ancestry stemming from the neolithic Levant, they likewise share a common language, history, culture, and history, the same can not be said for the majority of Christians.

 

Must have missed this one then;

I wish my fellow posters all the best in all their endeavors and, that wish extends to all theirs as well. Some here obviously do not.

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If it was a stray mortar how would they have known that the courtyard was empty at the time the mortar landed? Or are you saying that the IDF dont study the target but leisurely scan an empty courtyard while an intensive battle is going on nearby

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"We send leaflets" ? How?
"We send SMS" ? There is no power to charge phones for the majority of civillians
"We knock on the roof" ? What? While large explosions are going off, you drop small objects onto roofs expecting residents to notice?

If a house is going to be bombed, the safest place will be on the roof. Most are killed by the crushing rubble. There is no time to get a family together and get out. The warning are of a matter of seconds.

 

Were bulding in empty territories in the West Bank, the PA and the palestinian people have their teritory(they understandbley wish to gain more but that's an issue for another day). Israeli settlements don't go near the palestinian cities in the West Bank so we don't push anyone into Gaza.(actually Abu-Mazen has been wanting to return to Gaza anyway but really no one is making him).

So are you saying that terror is justified? are you saying that palestinians are allowed to terorise us because of a land dispute? it's OK for them to kill us and it's out fault? no. It's the fault of the animals who blow them selves up in those busses and public places. And don't be mistaken, palestinians has had 2 different opportunities in the past to recieve about 98% of the West Bank with the offers on Ahud Olmert in 2007 ad Ahud Barak in 2000, and they turned down both offers. So how are we to blame that they are crying for land, and then we offer them that land, and then they won't even accept it?

 

Before the Palestinian refugees began pouring into Gaza from Jaffa and Beersheba, the population of Gaza was 80,000 people..

Are you sure that you won't rethink your position in light of the realities of water mismanagement in the Jordan Basin since 1967?

 

see the white spots in the sky? leaflets, warnings to citizens to stay away and instructions(with a map drawn) where to go.
Surley right now SMS is not really operable but in usuall scenerios, we send SMS, i'm pretty sure we still do but no one can see it because of the no power.
Knock On The Roof is a protocol of droping a small(yet loud) explosion on a bulding before bombing it, from this moments the citizens have time to escape, and they hear it well enough to come to the roof with their children after they hear it so I don't think theres a problem there.

as for what you said, 1 israeli shell hit the empty couryard of the school, the school it self was hit with s stray rocket or mortar. Few days ago a stray Fadger missile that fell from the air hit a Gaza hospital as well.

 

Balfur declaration, UN resolution, ONSCOP and other committees that came to the area.
I get you justification for the palestinians to live here, and they were offered land, not only 45% of Israel but also Jordan itself was given but the British to the arabs here.

 

In September 1922, the Council of the League of Nations recognized Transjordan as a state under the British Mandate for Palestine and the Transjordan memorandum.. You may not realize it but Jordan was inhabited by Arabs.. They weren't refugees from Europe.

 

I am aware of all that, and that zionists murdered the British even during WW2, what I mean is why do zionists think they have any right whatsoever to form a movement to take other peoples land. There were people living there the British offered you a homeland within Palestine, but even that was not enough you wanted a state. Where does this sense of entitlement come from? Is it just as Herzl said because Zionists felt victimised and so that gave them the right to victimize others.

 

most of the land was practically empty before Jews came here and made it into what it is, formed villages, advanced the country in stuff like farmary. Yes the arabs(then they didn't even call themselves palestinians) lived here, but did they have a country? did they develop this land? did they do anything with it?
Besides, there were Jews living here before the zionizem. They were the minority, but they were.
In the same not I can ask you how can the americans claim their land is theirs when indians lived there before them. Israel formed a movement, a movement which the "controller" of this place accepted(even though there were a lot of anti-zionizem rules in the white books) but it was accepted by the british who had the mandate here and by the world.


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A palestinian women in Gaza approched IDF soldiers and told them that she wasn't feeling well, the soldiers took her to Israeli hospital in Ashkelon for medical treatment. THOSE MURDERERS!
some of what she says "alla bless them" "that's an act a son does for his mother" "my they come home safe" and she was afraid to talk about Hamas.

 

Does anyone expect hamas to stop using children and women for
their shield?

I don't believe they will. After all hamas are practitioners of that "religion
of peace" and they follow their esteemed example, Muhammad.

Muhammad was an extremely violent warlord. At least that's the opinion
of non-refutable history.

 

Let's take the UN partition plan from 1947 which you invoked in an earlier response to a different poster as giving legality to Israel's claims in the Palestine area, even though as I said it was an absurd decision to begin with, but still let's take that. That specified that the West Bank (actually a bigger portion than today) should be a de facto Arab nation. Under what legal act does Israel today "build in empty territories" in the West Bank? That in effect nullifies any authority that the Palestinian government leading a Palestinian Nation would have. We also have a lot of empty space here in Romania between the cities and the villages but if say Ukraine started planting towns between our cities which were then subject to Ukrainian law and guarded by Ukrainian military then we would have a big problem with the Romanian state's authority and anyone in their right mind would be outraged by this.

No, I'm not saying that they are justified, obviously they're not. I'm saying that from a pragmatic point of view, that's probably what's going to happen and it will be a direct consequence of Israel's actions. So don't let that take you by surprise.
Also, if you are willing to accept that the Irgun paramilitary group's attacks against Arab civilians were justified in the 1930s-1940s, then you should probably accept the Arab terror attacks as justified.

I've just read about the 2000 Barak peace proposal which is said to be the most generous one:
- the Jerusalem metropolitan area which would be close to the Arab town of Jericho which is close to the Jordanian border would be incorporated into Israel. In effect that would be 1/5 of West Bank and it would split it into 2.
- Israel would continue to control all of Palestine’s border access points with the outside world; would continue to patrol and protect all the Jewish settlements that remained in place in the West Bank.

That in itself is a joke. I think that Barak had no intention of offering something that could be accepted just so that the agreement would not be reached.

 

when did you here(or saw in this case) say that Jewish terror pre-1948 was justified?