I'd love for a Creationist to state and defend their time-line

A person of true faith could demonstrate it by curing all of the people infected with Ebola by simply touching them.

 

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Rabbi ........, linking Jerusalem Third Temple with Grand Unified Theory of Modern World Problems.

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Or…….. we could set in motion "Let there be light" even in the darkest prisons and when those prisons get cleaned up the earth itself is also transformed.

 

If every conceivable act known to man wasn't a crime there wouldn't be so many people in prisons.

 

Excuse me, whose definition of life are you speaking of? Last I heard, biologists still had not reached consensus. Nor, should they reach consensus, are they necessarily correct. IMO you are making unwarranted assumptions about an undefined term. Further, you are assuming a spiritual being is exactly the same as a material one. IMO, also unwarranted.

As to where the material came from, what part of omnipotence do you not understand?

Why should the universe spring into existence from a single point in space? What is your explanation for the Big Bang? Why did it happen? Where was the matter before it came into our universe? For that matter, why is the universe constructed as it is: properties of matter and energy just so and physical constants at certain values? Doesn't it make sense that it is a made thing? Or do you think all this could happen by accident on the first try?

 

If God "got better and better"...then in a previous state, He would have been WORSE than the next succeeding state.

Ergo...how could He be a "Supreme Being"...if at some point in His existance....He was "less than perfect"???

 

True…… but the term worse in this context means has less knowledge of events that have already taken place……… because fewer events have happened previous to God setting the stage for new events.

Our scientists could have all the best intentions in the world as they create a new hyper intelligent android…… and they could do their best to set up a virtual reality hologram environment for the attitudes of these androids to be tested….. before they are trusted with great responsibility. We are now facing "godlike" decisions as technology increases.

 

Is God capable of creating a unique time line that is separate from any previous time line?

Is God capable of giving humans and angels genuine freedom of choice……. including the possibility of making a less than wise choices….. or an outright selfish choice?

is God intelligent enough to factor these flawed choices by angels and humans into some sort of educational epic series of reality films?

Is God capable of leading even "fallen angels/ devils" to repentance/ salvation/ light / love?

Why was the name Azazel associated with Yom Kippur?

Was the Bar Abbass of Passover C. E. 30 or 31… the great, great, great …. grandfather of the present leader of the P. A?

 

It's not a literal "Six Days." In Christian/Catholic lore time is very much open to interpretation. "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." 2 Peter 3:8

This opens the idea that the time God experiences is much different than a human experiences. Or so the lore states.

 

The Hebrew word used in the six durations is "yowm."

Yown CAN mean an afternoon, a morning, even a 24 hour days.
But its actually meaning is a duration depending upon the context into which the word has been placed.

Once we understood that six long Ages were marked by the rock layers in our Geological Clock, this usage becomes the best for us to refer to.
And, each event in each duration of scripture corresponds directly with what took place in the six rock layers, too.

1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day

2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day

3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day

4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day

5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day

6. Mesozoic Era-Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day

7. Cenozoic Era-Common Era/ = Seventh Day

 

Given the fact that there is such thing as time dilation, what is to say that it didn't take seven days for creation from the point of view of the Creator?

 

further to this, if it popped into existence from nothing, how did it have the idea to do so (if it was previously nothing)? an idea is something. if there was literally no idea, then it was a spontaneous generation of a something - which backs up our current science. totally random. in which case, the gods are just another chaotic accident.

 

So does that mean God created the Universe and life on Earth and Man in six thousand years? (A "day for God" equalling 1000 years)

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cupid dave,


You can't LIKE eeesee's post where he says "a day for God is a 1000 years"....

and then claim that "a day for God was 250,000,000 years".

 

Note how a simile is used used here. "Is Like" is the indicator. Which states that it is not to be taken literally. Nearly nothing in the Bible is meant to be taken literally.

The rhetoric of the Bible goes far beyond the words on the page, and is to be interpreted differently by each individual.

 

If so......Is the story of the Resurrection ...meant to be interpreted as literally true?

 

You sure put down the broad brush and went straight to the power sprayer. Bravo

 

Why? You will just reject it.

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Evolution is a primarily 'anti-Christian' theory, not strictly a science theory.

 

You should read more Darwin and less Dawkins.

Evolution is not anti-Christian. Most Christians haven't got the slightest problems with it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

 

Remember that the Solar Clock did not exist until duration 4.

So the previous durations, called 'days" must have been measured without the Solar Clock, and they were very long ages.

Today, we have discovered that six deep rock layers in our earth hold all the history of the earth locked under them.
These clearly were the Geological Clock that was meant in Genesis:

1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day

2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day

3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day

4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day

5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day

6. Mesozoic Era-Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day

7. Cenozoic Era-Common Era/ = Seventh Day

 

Yep,...

The church people are giving the bible a lot of trouble by sticking to their attempt to make it actually say what the medieval interpreters had made up,... then,... when Aristotle was used as the general science knowledge of those days.

The Bible makes science sense and states evolution so clearly in the 22 names found in the Genesis genealogy.
Those 22 "now extinct species" are explained pretty much the same as does Science, today, explain them.


This same story is reported in this book:

 

The big thing here is that BEFORE 1940, scientists did NOT believe in the creation of the heaven and the Earth.

Gen 1:1 was considered wrong, and they believed the Universe had always been there.

 

You really think Darwin's primary purpose was disproving Christianity when he wrote 'The Origin of Species'? What an interesting thought. I assume you have a source.

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But this is not current science.

 

making unwarranted assumptions about an undefined term in the same way that theists do? yeah, I guess that's a possibility.

are you assuming a spiritual being is DIFFERENT to a material one? if so, why? where is your evidence that it isn't (besides stories in old goat herder books, of course)? you're the one saying it's undefined, so clearly you have no idea either.

what part of omnipotence do you understand?

why should gods spring from a single point in space? what is your explanation for that? why did it happen? where was the godness before it came into our universe? for that matter, why are the gods constructed as they are? properties of gods and angels just so, and laws at certain values? doesn't it make sense that gods are a made thing? or do you think they could happen by accident on the first try?

 

To be honest, what you said and what I said are not mutually exclusive points of view. Your point of view describes time as it would be relative to how we experience time. Mine describes it as it would be relative to the Creator. Since there is such thing as time dilation, it is possible that the Creator is experiencing time different from us. What could be a day to the Creator might be a billion years to us. Of course, it begs the question "What is a day to someone who is eternal?" Personally, I don't really subscribe to the it all happened in seven days hypothesis but it is interesting how well it does map to what the scientific evidence of how the universe and in particular Earth came to be.

 

Faith and evolution are not mutually exclusive concepts. Evolution only describes the process by which species rise it does not address whether or not the Creator directed it.

"The word of God is the creation we behold and it is in this word, which no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to man." - Thomas Paine

 

The term 'life'? Really?

I said 'life' was undefined, not 'being', 'material' or 'spiritual'. You're reaching pretty hard.

Gee, I would guess that a spiritual being is different than a material being given that we call it SPIRITUAL rather than MATERIAL. See how that would work?

I would guess the part that's in the dictionary. Words have meanings. That's why we use them.

Answering a question by posing another requiring equal faith is not very impressive. But I'll try to answer you. God exists outside the universe, at least in part. God did not spring into being from a single point, He brought that point into being. God was not constructed, He is;l live with it. If you think God is a made thing, does that not argue for the existence of a God, a First Cause? IMO, since God exists outside of time, the idea of 'first' does not apply.