Welfare Card

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  1. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't whether we had discussed this on this forum as a focused topic. Anyway it was interesting watching Q&A last night in particular Twiggy Forest's proposal of a welfare card, which is a broad proposal across all welfare recipients not just Indigenous people but rightfully exempting certain pensioners and other recipients. In my mind people will still be able to circumvent the restrictions but non the less will be much less inclined to do so. I vaguely remember a rental payment arrangement in Queensland for young people receiving the dole. Anyway, what are your thoughts on its merit or negative implications.

    On another topic is the communal arrangement verse free hold title or long term leasing of Aboriginal lands by Aboriginal people. Joe Morrison from the Northern Lands Council believes that private ownership of sorts could work, but again in my mind it would be quite a difficult cumbersome and precarious arrangement in terms of Aboriginal people maintaining long term links with their traditional lands, especially in the instance of private ownership. It is obvious though that communal ownership is a no win situation in terms of economic development but only due to aboriginal people losing significant traditional cultural values as a consequence of forcefully having to blend cultures. It seems that Aboriginal people want to transition into western culture based on comments last night but no doubt want to maintain important cultural values. Can it be achieved? I believe it can be! There will still be significant changes but every cultural has evolved and maintained important aspects of their cultures. I don't think Chinese people feel that working in a rice paddy is their only cultural identity. You would think their language is important, along with their cultural standards of interaction etc. Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking!
     
  2. DominorVobis

    DominorVobis Banned at Members Request

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    Good post, not sure about the card, will have to look into it. The culture part though has been a bug in my side for years.

    It appears to me, that English, Scottish, Irish, Greek, Italian etc can bring their culture and celebrate it here and we all join them as they celebrate their heritage. But Muslim and Aboriginal people must cut all ties to their heritage and culture or be demonized. Ban the burka, but ban kilts etc, wow wouldn't that cause a stir.
     
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    Adultmale Active Member Past Donor

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    You don't know what you are talking about DV. The burka is a symbol of the religious subjugation and persecution of women, it should be banned in any enlightened country. The Abo's can and do celebrate their culture all the time, in fact we can't get away from them trying to poke their cultural nose into everything.
     
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    culldav Well-Known Member

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    Aboriginal cultural heritage exists when they want financial compensation or financial hand-outs from the white man, but they are willing to forgo their Aboriginal cultural heritage at the drop of a hat, and adopt white mans philosophies to sell land to mining companies for profit. :roflol: :roflol:
     
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    HTF did certain groups in this country develop their inferiority / doormat complex? Was it instilled in them by their mind controllers?
     
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    the last three responses just highlight how big the problem of racism really is,, in my beloved Australia.....
    Regards
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was looking forward to a well reasoned, intellectual debate! Lol :roll:

    Ah well it looks like we have to stick to superficial mud flinging!
     
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    Adultmale Active Member Past Donor

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    If you want a proper debate you will first have to give us something to debate! What are the details of this welfare card you mentioned at the start?
     
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    culldav Well-Known Member

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    I agree that racism and discrimination is a problem and concern in Australia and in other countries. But from my own experience watching TV and reading, the racism seems to be directly targeting Caucasian people, and the discrimination seems to be targeting males, and this racism and discrimination seems to be acceptable and tolerated for some reason if you're Caucasian & male, but not acceptable and tolerated if you're black/Asian or female.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It just goes to show that you blindly troll! :roll:
     
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    Adultmale Active Member Past Donor

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    You are the one who started the thread entitled "welfare Card". So give us the details of the welfare card YOU wanted to start a debate about.
     
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    I would seriously like to know why its acceptable for ethnic groups to be racist against Caucasians and females to be discriminatory against males. But why its not acceptable for Caucasians to be racists against the same ethnic groups that are racist against them, and why males cannot be discriminatory against females who are discriminatory against them?

    Is there something special about ethnic groups and females, but nothing special about Caucasians and males, as to the reasons why this is now happening?
     
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    Look at the blatant racial discrimination practiced by foreign born employers. They clearly practice racial discrimination in favour of their own ex-countrymen yet if an Australian employer discriminated infavour of 'white' Australians they would be prosecuted.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why comment with drivel if you don't know what it's about? You got a computer with, you know, that search engine called "google". Do a search and come back if you are serious about contributing something of value!
     
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    I was just replying to culldav. You still haven't given us the details of the welfare card you want to debate. I suspect you don't even know yourself what it is you want to debate.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you not just read what I wrote? If you were keen enough to learn more and contribute an informed response thoughtfully you would have grabed a name and a few words from what I wrote and combined them in a google search. Now I'll give you a heads up......( Twiggy Forest Welfare Card). Ahhhhh, I hear you say.....go get em tiger!

    Like all threads, if you are not interested, you don't have to comment but if you combine commenting blindly, it looks a little silly.....but we're used to that from you know who!
     
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    I think its really sad at the moment. Caucasian people have been beaten-down for so long and have been forced to hate their own ethnicity through something their ancestors did, or strangers did. Now they just accept discrimination against themselves from other ethnic groups when it happens right before their eyes.
     
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    Not sure but I believe CD is a foreign born employer and from what I have read here he employs other nationalities so maybe you better use the prefix .. some ... you seem to love throwing a big blanket over everyone, is it because that is all you understand? All unemployed are dole bludging vermin living off you. All Muslims are terrorists wanting to kill you. All scientists are lairs trying to rip you off, all Liberal politicians are saints and all greens are latte sipping tree huggers, all boat people are financial refugees.

    Life is so simple for you isn't it, you don't even need to think. :)
     
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    No need to show your racism and bigotry. We are aware that life is a lot harder for those ignorant people who simply wish to hate what they don't understand.
     
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    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    I am sorry but your just making yourself look the fool who jumps on any headline that you think supports your case.

    We would like to see some detail that would give us some indication of what you want to object too or support but so far all we have is superficial dribble that hurts you more than others.


    HOWEVER, I am against this welfare card as the basis of intention is regulating what can be done with welfare. This is a way for government (ANY GOVERNMENT) to change what people get and do. Next step is the Australia card... A way that government can control its people for the benefit of the government... this card is about control, who wants to give government control over what they can and cannot do??? Where do you draw the line??? When it effects YOU???

    Instead bleating about what the debate is about, perhaps you should start actaully debating it...
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What part of it supports my case.....actually what is my case?

    What am I objecting to? What is it that you think I support?

    There ya go! You've contributed to the thread with reasoning of sorts!

    What debate? Who said it was a debate?
     
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    So in otherwords your trolling about. Typical drone activity...
     
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    You mean like the way you throw a big blanket over 'conservatives' and 'rich people'?
     
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    You did

    Looks like you forgot which persona you were using....
     
  25. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well How?

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    Where?
     

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