What Is Your Political Philosophy?

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  1. Domingo_de_la_Torre

    Domingo_de_la_Torre New Member

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    There are many legitimate issues my fellow Americans must debate and address, but I will focus on what I believe is the most critical element contributing to the virtual loss of control over 'our' government, 'our' Nation, 'our' economy, and subsequently 'our' lives... 'Corporatism'.

    Definition of CORPORATISM: the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction

    If my fellow Americans could see the wisdom in how are Forefathers foresaw and addressed this calamity, most would be in awe. Most of the Legislation and Policy's pertaining to Corporate America that have been adopted over many decades, and which most of us have come to see as 'the norm' are actually in [direct conflict] with the elements our Forefathers included to protect us from Corporatism. Please read this excerpt related to my statements. It will astound you.:

    'Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States'

    When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

    Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

    Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
    Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
    Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
    Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
    Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
    Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

    For 100 years after the American Revolution, legislators maintained tight control of the corporate chartering process. Because of widespread public opposition, early legislators granted very few corporate charters, and only after debate. Citizens governed corporations by detailing operating conditions not just in charters but also in state constitutions and state laws. Incorporated businesses were prohibited from taking any action that legislators did not specifically allow.

    States also limited corporate charters to a set number of years. Unless a legislature renewed an expiring charter, the corporation was dissolved and its assets were divided among shareholders. Citizen authority clauses limited capitalization, debts, land holdings, and sometimes, even profits. They required a company’s accounting books to be turned over to a legislature upon request. The power of large shareholders was limited by scaled voting, so that large and small investors had equal voting rights. Interlocking directorates were outlawed. Shareholders had the right to remove directors at will.

    In conclusion; unless we become more informed of and acknowledge just how far the two-party monopoly now in control of 'our' government has strayed from the intent, fundamental principles, and guidelines we inherited from our Forefathers, we will not find the will needed to correct the transgression.
     
  2. UnityGov

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    I am an absolute Unitary Reformist, my own Political Philosophy (book link in signature).

    I believe in the world we frequently try to imagine in our dreams for the future, one where we've thrown aside Nationalism in favour of a single global Republic. Another word for that is Transnationalism. I live in Melbourne Australian and I'm trying to create a political party that will lobby for a forward thinking transnational agenda called the Unitary Republican Party.

    I'm more left than right wing, I believe unregulated market forces in the 'free economy' more often than not leads eventually to variants of plutocracy and therefore its vital to take the long view and properly regulate the private sector.
    I don't believe that religion should be banned but I do believe it should follow the rules of the not-for-profit category. In other words if its not behaving as a not-for-profit it should be taxed as such, and government should always be secular.
    I am not a communist, I think communism was a very high minded concept that is unworkable in practice. I agree with Churchill's statement that what we have is the worst system, except for all others that have been tried. This is because democracy is still open to abuse by the rich, powerful and the demagogues. However we end up with less corruption in a modern capitalistic democracy than in any other system.

    Under a transnational system we would endure the vast and powerful forces of mass migration and cultural rebalancing, but fundamentally what we as a species enjoy and appreciate will remain because we enjoy and appreciate it. This is cultural reformism. Eventually, war wouldnt exist anymore, at least not on the level we're familiar with. Without borders markets would be at their most efficient and everyone would have access to everything available in the global free market. Armies would vanish, as there is no 'outsider' to fight anymore. The only security forces would be police forces, though they would not be armed with bombers and tanks and assault rifles, but with pistols and gas. The world republic would lose the notion of nation, Australian, American, Iranian or Namibian wouldn't mean anything anymore. I think modern politics, the propogation of the nationalistic system, the back and forth wrestle of slightly left and slightly right governments while we make very little real global progress is depressing to behold. I dont want to vote for any of it, I want to vote for an actual future for our species. If we spent as much time and effort on scientific advancement as we do on state competition we would be so much more advanced than we are now. That is what I want for humanity.

    I think Politics shouldnt be the domain of the jaded trying to just hedge against the problems in the world, but rather of intelligent optimists. The founding fathers of the United States certainly werent creating a new system as jaded old men, but as optimists trying to build something better than had ever been. A democracy on an unprecedented scale. The European Monarchies laughed and thought it would end within a few years because everyone 'knew' monarchy was the only good system for modern government. We all know how that has ended. Political Theory needs to be injected and held with optimism and forward thinking, lest we simply degrade into pointless ceremony and tradition for the sake of itself. That and irrational veneration of the past for simply being the past.

    I say, what do we want in a thousand years? What do we want humanity to become in our highest level of imagination? I say we set our sites on that, then adjust it intelligently.

    This is my opinion, but I respect everyone's, we are all intelligent people and no one thinks what they do for no good reason. I do support my opinion though with absolute conviction.
     
  3. danielpalos

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    I believe a federal UN could help establish a more perfect Union of States.
     
  4. UnityGov

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    I agree with you, I feel its the best way forward for humanity to have single currency, single market and single system governance.

    I feel that politicians and parties that have spent their lives building their networks and wedging themselves at the top of national heaps wouldn't be very willing to submit to outside sovereign authority. Thats why I argue for state by state dissolution and recombination, rather than waiting for the 'golden' moment when the world will agree simultaneously to amalgamate.

    What do you think, process wise?
     
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    I believe we are simply not moral enough to establish a secular and temporal, Commune of Heaven on Earth.
     
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    It's an interesting idea but I don't think that it's realistic because the rest of the world does things differently because it works best for them.
    And of course economically that would be dangerous even with a singular currency.

    In Britain we have a constitutional monarchy in which parliament has control while the Queen is effectively the nations figurehead and it works well for us.
    However if we had a US style federal republic then it simply wouldn't because we've never had strong backing for a republic and it's just not the way we do things.
    Even the devolved parliaments in Scotland, Wales and NI are proving to be troublesome.
     
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    I believe there can be no implied delegation of wartime powers without wartime tax rates under our form of Capitalism and that form of market based metric; we already know Socialism bails out Capitalism, like usual.
     
  8. thinkitout

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    I agree emphatically with almost everything you say, but I do not think that a bloody revolution will be necessary to restore government "by the people" and pull in the reins on an "out of control, in control" corporate sector.

    We, as Americans are, for the most part, disillusioned or misinformed due to the media’s involvement in the corporate sector, and many of our prejudices are results of misleading propaganda. According to the Federal Reserve Board, as an average, a member of the top 1% of our population possesses 7400 times the wealth of a person in the bottom 40%. The cause of our sluggish economy is simply a lack of available funds in an increasing number of potential buyers because most of the finite capital resources of our country are stagnating or recirculating within the wealthiest echelons of society. Yet we are under the spell of "trickle-down", and so many have been led to believe that the costs of social programs and overtaxing the wealthy are responsible for our economic woes. Lies are uncovered without consequence, and motivations become less subtle, but those who are totally absorbed in their own self-interests and unconcerned with the welfare of others and even the fate of our nation nevertheless retain their loyal following. In order to repair a weakened structure, does it make any sense to reinforce the strongest components and neglect the weakest? Furthermore, if money IS the source of our strength, is it the purpose of the strong in society to assist the weak, or to subdue, exploit, or abandon them?

    To those who disagree with the above, what does the phrase “UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL” mean to you?

    It is the nature of freedom to be defensive rather than aggressive, and our legal system has left us confused regarding the interpretation of the boundaries of individual freedom. Logically, our best defense of freedom is effective widespread communication, which can only be accomplished by the media.

    Reform can never be successful until the media become involved, but the media, which traditionally have been the primary advocates for social justice through increasing public awareness, have seemingly become less responsive to the needs of the public due to the intimidating financial influence of the corporate sector, which has hijacked our economy and inhibited our First Amendment rights. Although the media may feel somewhat uncomfortable speaking out in defense of the "underdog", our prodigy will suffer the consequences of our indecision and indifference if our generation fails to address the ever-increasing inequalities in our related political and economic systems.

    We cannot continue to fight for our rights; on the contrary, we must stop fighting in order to redeem our rights. We, as individuals, are at the bottom of the chain of command, but we, as a united populace, are at the top of the chain of command. So, in order to have a common voice in government and once again make government “by the people” possible and effective, we must be united in our dedication to support that which is morally right, not just that which would benefit us personally. To defend the rights of others is to protect our own rights.

    The solution to our problems is simple. Economic considerations cannot be allowed to override values, but values should influence our decisions in matters relating to finances. WE MUST UNIVERSALLY REAFFIRM THAT HUMAN LIFE AND FREEDOM CANNOT BE EVALUATED IN TERMS OF MONETARY WORTH.
     
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    Im a socialist.
    i believe that the government, should be a active part in a citizens life.
    Like government sponsored healthcare, or government sponsored school programs should be the norm.
    But in a country like america, i can't see it happening.
     
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    I'm not exactly sure what I am called politically so if you read this and you have any REAL names( no insults) tell me. I'm going to start with things important to me.

    Environment- This is a topic that does not get enough talk. Whether you subscribe to the idea of global warming, the rising sea levels or what have you, I hope you see that not everything is dandy in nature right now. Scientist call it the 6 major extinction. The environments are changing to fast for animals to adapt. Trash is literally everywhere; it is in the oceans, the side of the roads, public place etc.
     
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    Sorry. Hit the wrong button and sent it.

    To sum up things on the environment the environment is in serious danger and it needs fixing .

    Energy- If you read my last post you can probably guess I'm pro green energy. Even if we have enough oil, natural gas or coal to last us till the end of man it still has effects on the environment .

    Immigration- While I understand both the republican ideas and liberal ideas I can see how they are both flawed. I believe that America is a country of immigrants and that simply refusing illegal immigrants would be a shame to our history yet I understand that we cannot withstand all of them that are entering the US. That being said sending them back to countries that have some of the highest crime rates in the world is not right. I also foresee the possibility that the people that we send back may join a gang and run drugs causing more issues. I feel that the beat thing is to allow children to stay, deport people over the age of 18 and work closely with central and south american counties to increase their governments ability to provide for their people.

    Foreign affairs - I believe that the more interaction with countries the better. Also I believe that interdiction is a good thing. As we have seen with Ukraine , countries are hesitant to act (not saying America is a ton better) but someone has to do something. We can't just let the rest if the world rot while we live the luxury life.

    Federal government size- I believe a rather large federal government is a good thing. The government is here to regulate things, set standards and provide with other things like protection.

    Health care- I don't have much skin in the game on health care since I'm only 15 but these are my thoughts. Health care should be able to be provided by the government but it should not be forced onto people.

    Those are the big things I could think of.
     
  12. ChristopherABrown

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    I would have to agree with this, therefore also support the notion of a republic with moral principles that prevent immoral government from suppressing needed moral development. The 1787 constitution, or more correctly, the framing documents, are actually quite good. However they contain deficiencies that were created by competition for inclusion of concepts, perhaps to exclude concepts.
    We will need to re-know constitutional intent in order to enforce the principals of the 1787 constitution.
     
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    Here is our "mission statement" as civil Persons in our republic:

     
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    Libertarian, but with modifications which would prevent something from taking something which is mine or my families or which would reduce my or my families chance at a better life.
    And, see my sig.
     
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    "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union,"

    Meaning if government is abusive to that end and the prime constitutional intent preceding that mission statement, a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, we have the right to "alter or abolish" that government.

    "establish justice,"

    We do not have justice. Courts make decisions serving abusive government all the time.
     
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    If only, we could find nice representatives to government of morals.
     
  17. thinkitout

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    The one disadvantage of democracy is that the ideologies of government will likely be compromised and corrupted in order to serve the selfish interests of human political agendas. In order to defend freedom, we need a sufficient quantity of defenders of freedom. Our government officials were meant to be public servants, not corporate pawns or self-serving mercenaries, and it is our collective duty as citizens to oversee the entire governmental process. It should be obvious that the shortcomings in the system are due to our own failure to select honorable and qualified individuals to fill administrative positions, not because the system is flawed. Should we continue to argue our countless differences while government job vacancies are being sold to the highest bidders, or should we work together, reaffirming the values of our founding fathers and changing the nomination and election process in order to ensure that candidates conform to these ideals?

    Let's use a little logic here. Should we abolish laws because criminals don't conform?
     
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    The Kabbalistic rituals of higher secrets of ritual sodomy, the evil eye, chanting incantations, necromancy, blood
    sacrifice and invoking the fallen angels into the service of Lucifer fascinated the French Knights Templar. They
    realised the Kabballah originated in Palestine and once they realised that it was the key to untold spiritual magical
    power they cunningly planned a bloody Crusade to Palestine, in order to search for more Kabbalistic and magical
    artifacts, also looting the temple of Solomon. Solomon was a biblical magician king who has been accredited a
    large part of the knowledge, known as the Kabballah.
    The Templar's aim was to prevent the Muslims gaining any knowledge about the Kabballah.
    Historic islamic oral accounts from the 12th century testified to a sickening Crusade of plunder, torture, murder and
    sexual depravity . They destroyed any evidence of Kabballah origins so they may hold it's secrets exclusively.
    It is said that the Templar's returned to France with the 'Holy Grail' which is thought not to be an object, but a set of
    higher magical teachings ie. a piece of information. They indulged in Kabbalistic rituals , where they spat and
    trampelled on the image of Jesus, a satanic tradition which is still practised to this day by the ORDO TEMPLI
    ORIENTIS (OTO) in the US, once headed by Aleister Crowley.
    Those Templar's who managed to escape the slaughter by the King of France fled to Scotland and Malta, where
    they renamed themselves 'The Sovereign Knights of Malta and later re-emerged in Scotland, calling themselves
    Freemasons.
    All versions of Freemasonry, Rosi Cruxianism, The Skull & Bones, The Palladian Freemasonry, Co Masonry,
    Scotish Right Masonry, The Ku Klux Klan and Crowleys ORDO TEMPLI ORIENTIS (OTO) are derived from the
    original Kabbalistic rituals of the Knights Templar.

    During the 1930's and 1940's the O.T.O. lodge in California was headed by a brilliant rocket designer called Jack
    Parsons.He developed patented rocket technology which is still in use by NASA today. They named a crater on
    the dark side of the moon in honour of Jack Parsons. Much of the work was controlled by ex. Nazi officers like
    Werner Von Braun, brought to the USA by the CIA project 'Paper Clip'. Jack Parsons was fully aware what his
    rocket designs were going to be used for.
    At night Parsons would hold sex magic rituals in his house in Pasadena and initiate fellow scientists at the Los
    Alamos atomic bomb laboratory. Not far from Parsons rocket launching pad in Pasadena, the Jewish scientist
    Robert Oppenheimer was building the worlds first atomic bomb, which was exploded at Los Alamos, at a place
    called 'the road of death' which lies on the 33rd degree parallel.

    In 1948 George Bush (snr) was baptised in the name of 'Magog', the spirit who would lead the army of demons
    against Christ at the apocalypse of armageddon. The same year Jack Parsons baptised himself as Balarian
    'Armiluss', Al Dajjal, the anti-Christ. Parsons took on the ancient Judaic teachings that Christ and his church are
    the enemies of civilisation and that they had to be destroyed.
    On a 40 day pilgrimage in the Mahawi dessert, the area where 'Area 51' now resides, Parsons summoned forth
    'Babalon', the scarlet woman and whore of the apocalypse, the consort of the great beast, SATAN. This was in
    the presence of L Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Church of Scientology and former initiate of Aleister Crowley's
    O.T.O.
    Hubbard wrote a 'so called' secret text (Dianetics), which now has an inspired following of evangelical millionaires
    in Holywood, just as the Kabballah training schools are now brim full, who has their interests in these Judaic magical
    techniques inspired by Britney Spears and Madonna.
    Isaac Bashevis Singer, a literature Nobel price winning author once wrote that Kabballah teaches that dead
    matter is not really dead.
    It may also be of interest that in Roman Polanski's movie 'Rosemary's Baby' the part of the devil is acted by
    Anton Lavey, the founder of the American Church of Satan.

    The Kabbalistic banishing of the pentagram was in part performed by Queen Elisabeth 2 during her Coronation
    ceremony in 1952, originally designed by Aleister Crowley for the Golden Dawn secret society. The royal orb is
    the symbol of 'World International Female Freemasonry' and the ' Maltese Cross' on her crown is the symbol of
    Non Jewish 'Gentile' Kabbalists. Prince William will be the next King of the Kabballah.

    (The Templar Cross of Malta & Skull emblem is the insignia of the PHI KAPPA SIGMA secret society in the US.)
    Nb. The Maltese Skull & Bones represents the high council of the Kabballah, known as 'The Great White Head'
    which is used by many American secret societies.

    The book of revelation states that 'Satan shall appear on Earth as the red dragon'.
    The royal crest has the red dragon of Wales on the bottom right, above is the White Horse' (Rev.6) wearing the
    Merovingian crown around it's neck and chained to the devil - the red dragon below, under which the inscription
    reads "ICHI DIEN" - I SERVE.

    The book of revelation predicts the birth of the anti-Christ with huge political power and with a simple plan of
    Famine, Plague, War and total annihalation of all living creatures. In fact the ancient text of Islam warn us in the
    Quran that the anti-Christ (Dajjal) ie. Satan will be assisted by many minor anti-Christs who will herald the main
    Dajjal to reign with terror in the name of peace.

    The bible speaks of Satan wanting to prevent the new Mesiah being raised by mass killings of children.
    * Each day 26 thousand children are killed by starvation and preventable deseases such as the common cold.

    Politicians are advancing a global plan - the plan of the anti-Christ, the doctrine of Lucifer which the Templar,
    Freemasons and the Illuminati global network of societies follow. They use vast technology to spy on and kill
    everybody, whoever get's in their way (J F Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Ghandi).
    The Illuminati is a global network of witch coverns, black magicians and Freemasons, using a secret code of
    numbers and words to communicate the plan to one another. They hold rituals, right in the heart of the UK
    parliament and Washington DC and have made the US the headquarters of their barberous plan to bring
    about the apocalyptic prophecies of the anti-Christ. In short we have a Lucifarian elite, creating a global fascist
    dictatorship.
    Symbols are used by masonic lodges, witch coverns, satanists and alchemists to directly access parts of the
    brain which respond to strong shapes and colours. As the saying goes " A picture paints a thousand words !", so
    magical symbols can be used to convey a multi layered message or command. This is known as 'SIGIL MAGIC'.
    Sigils are found in a huge number of company logos and bombard our sub conscious on a daily basis.
    For instance, every bar code (trillions) have three sixes in them. Front, middle and end.
    (And each man shall have the number of the beast. Nothing bought or sold shall pass without knowing the beast
    number 666)
    Manly P Hall, a high ranking Freemason wrote the book 'The secret teachings of all ages' where he states that
    the radiation symbol is a masonic sigil used in excepted Right Freemasonry, which represents the success of
    our combined plan for world domination.
    * Sigils can also be conveyed using hand signals.

    Freemasonry is more than a secret society. It is in fact a religion. They pray to a tri-penthium god, one facet of
    which is the war mongering BAAL..
    Freemasonry is the most popular occult religion among police officers, judges and barristers (such as Tony Blair).
    The satanic pentagram is in every masonic building and if you are looking for the anti-Christ start at the Pentagon.
    The Pentagon is a piece of occult architecture and orientated to the North where in spiritual terms the gods of war
    are evoked at the north point of the compass. It is a pentagon, within a pentagon, within a pentagon, within a
    pentagon, the same manner in which a secret society set's itself up.
    Washington DC is full of signs of Freemasonry and is the home of the satanic group OTO. It is fashioned after an
    Egyptian necropolis, which in Egypt symbolised a temple for the dead. Washington DC is the modern version and
    the temple for death.
    The monument is proportioned after the ancient obelisk of Egypt and is 555 feet high and anchored 20% below,
    making a total of 666 feet. (Note - anchored and not base)
    The small roads surrounding the White House in the parklands are typiclly masonic and have been exposed
    by David Ike and other authors to be making up the shape of an owl sitting on a pyramid. The owl is the symbol of
    the 'Bohemian Grove' in California and the pyramid was used by the Bavarian Illuminati.

    In 2005 American broadcaster Alex Jones and his cameraman Mike Hanson infiltrated the Bohemian Grove, a
    gigantic private redwood forest owned by the Bohemian club of San Francisco. For 130 years the Bohemian club
    has been holding rituals for two weeks each summer in the private forest. The ritual is called 'The Cremation of
    Care', which is based on Masonic Coffin Ritual & Babylonian Human Sacrifice Pageants. Homo-erotic images
    are used in the rituals. The hangman's noose is heavily featured - just like Freemasonry. The Bohemian Grove
    annals brag that the 'Manhatten Project' was concocted in a building at the Bohemian Grove, known as the
    'Chalet'. The strategic defence innitiative, better known as 'Star Wars' was also the brain child of Grove members
    and was born inside the chalet.
    The membership list reads like the who's who of US and European elite. Jimmy Carter, George Bush senior and
    junior, Henry Kissinger, George Schulz and the list goes on and on.
    When it came to the modern day equivalent of the philosopher's stone, to master alchemy at it's highest level,
    changing one element into another, changing uranium into plutonium, one of the highest secrets of alchemy,
    the S1 committee of the Manhatten project met at the Bohemian Grove. Among the ancient trees grown men
    listened to the manic laughter of Satan, wearing L masks and black robes.
    It was here at the Bohemian Grove that the consumation of thousands of years of alchemical atomic research took
    place and nothing less than the birth of 'The Bomb'.
    Aleister Crowley called it the age of 'Thelema'. Thelema is the Greek word for willpower. The third volume of the
    Illuminati is the 'age of Thelema' where the whole of the humanity is processed, bombarded with images of death.
    This is the 'NEW WORLD ORDER'. The enemy has revealed itself.

    "Our contest is not against flesh & blood but against powers, against principalities, against the world rulers of this
    present darkness, against spiritual forces of evil who live in heavenly places !"
    ( The Epistle of Paul, addressing the Ephesinians, 6: 12 )
     
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    You mean Prince Charles is the most qualified and fittest? Bwahahaha
     
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    I would say my philosophi is national-bolshevism. It is the idea of a strong state, socialist economy and traditional values. Also, I like russian eurasianism, movement for integration with Asian countries.
     
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    I tend toward non-representative, straight-up, democracy. Just give me a computer and a site to log into and I'll make my own wishes known. Get the putzes off my back.
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, god! That sounds terrible. What you propose wouldn't get the putzes off your back...it would put every putz in America squarely on your back.
     
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    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    I say 86 the middle man. They don't do what you tell 'em anyway.
     
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    I'm not sure what I am. I thought I was a liberal because I believed in live and let live but then I found out that what liberals today believe in...I don't. I thought I was a conservative because I believed in God and family and mom and apple pie but then I found out what conservatives believe in, I don't. So when I was 18 and able to vote for the very first time...I thought I was a Democrat because my parents were and Jimmy Carter seemed like a nice peanut farmer. Then came the Democratic Convention between Obama and Hillary Clinton and I hated the way Obama went after Hillary so when he won the Democratic nomination I knew I would NOT vote Democrat. Ditto for 2012. I was pretty sure I was NOT a Republican because I have never been exposed to one I liked.

    So now I consider myself an Independent because I vote for whomever I damn well please if what they say appeals to me!

    So now, party wise I'm leaning towards Veterans' Party of America and if you don't know what that is go to FB or Google and look it up. :)
     
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    Everything is phony and there's always an ulterior motive.
     
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