Diversity & Multicultural

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  1. Flanders

    Flanders Well-Known Member

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    Let me begin by saying that Pat Buchanan at the border in this picture is looking better every day:

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    And please don’t tell me about using guns to frighten children. Better you should explain adults using children to implement a political agenda. It is those adults who must be stopped.

    Every American can learn from the way Pat lays out a brief history of America in relation to diversity before he posed this question:


    The answer to Buchanan’s question is —— NONE.

    The sad truth is that some Caucasian Americans, when America was still a melting pot, decided to shove diversity down the country’s throat. Non-Caucasian minorities never believed a word of it. That did not stop them from taking advantage of diversity.

    In the days before credit cards were considered good coin of the realm, the United States prided itself on being a melting pot. A melting pot meant that people from different backgrounds would blend together over time, and eventually everyone would become Americans. Number 2 is no surprise considering the kind of government in Canada.


    Diversity, and multicultural, mean that neither immigrants, nor their descendants, will ever become Americans. Politically, the theories of diversity, and multiculturalism, joined forces in order to discard the melting pot and replace it with anti-Americanism.

    Multiculturalism made it imperative that English-speaking white Christian males become a target. Establishing that single image made it easier to depict every white American as a creature who does not have one redeeming quality; a creature to be hated and despised by every non-Caucasian. The beauty was that multiculturalism laid a guilt trip on Caucasians while non-Caucasians saw themselves as morally superior.

    Newcomers to America are encouraged to remain what they are when they arrive from whatever inferno they came from rather than become Americans. Heaven forbid that anyone tell them to go back to where they came from if they hate Americans so much.

    Realizing that acts of terrorism will not kill those hated Americans fast enough to bring about the desired change that Socialist multiculturalism calls for, the courts, the Ministry of Propaganda, and the education system have decided to increase the help they give to illegal immigrants in their push to eliminate Americans altogether. Sometimes I think that the Socialists controlling those three institutions hate Caucasian Americans so much they can't wait to see them go down on their knees to aliens regardless of their race.

    Allow me to digress for a minute.

    One would think that the children of miscegenation like Barack Taqiyya, Eric Holder, Jeh Johnson, Valery Jarrett, and countless others would be a melting pot’s staunchest defenders. Not so. Troublemakers of a Caucasian-Negro racial mix never love anybody except themselves —— they always hate whites never blacks. I never saw that kind of hatred in a Caucasian-Asian mix, at least not in this country. While traveling here and there in my long ago youth I did see hatred aimed at mixed race individuals in foreign countries; especially in Japan. In fact, Caucasian countries seem to be the only countries imposing diversity on their peoples.

    Aside from miscegenation. Common ancestry, history, language, faith, culture and traditions, in a world without national boundaries can only be defined as a Socialist melting pot. I cannot think of anything besides Socialism/Communism that the people in such a world could possibly have in common.

    Returning to Pat Buchanan:


    I want to offer my interpretation of the type of person that brought America to the point Buchanan is talking about. In a word —— PRIESTS.

    Priests of every stripe will never allow the government America’s Folders set in motion to stand. Individual liberties, self-reliance, working for one’s self and one’s loved ones first is the exact opposite of the society the priest personality envisions.

    The First Amendment held traditional priests in check until the late 19th century when Socialists saw that the best way to kill America was to strangle it with its best features. More is better became a lethal weapon in the hands of the Socialist priesthood. To put it another way —— penicillin can cure an infection; too much will kill you.

    The practical application of more is better was to bring about every religion’s collectivism through the power of government by increasing to the breaking point the very character traits that made early Americans special and unique.

    The trickiest part was telling Americans what to do rather than tell them what not to do. Once Americans accepted being told how to behave the rest of the Socialist agenda was reduced to a single policy; replace voluntary charity with coerced charity.

    Socialist priests take credit for the things that made America great even as they are trying to tear down what is left of everything America used to be. Example: Illegal alien children now pouring into the country represent the government’s latest attempt to exploit American decency through destructive excesses.

    The Socialist priesthood is getting a lot of help tearing down the Constitution because of illegal immigration:

    I smelled a Catholic rat when “faith leaders” sat in on the meeting between Governor Perry and Taqiyya the Liar:

    The Roman Catholic Church has been at it a lot longer than Socialists —— almost from the beginning (1813) when priests were given the confessional-privilege. Doctors, lawyers, journalists, and psychiatrists, followed suit with similar protections. I would take the privilege away from priests and psychiatrists, before I would take it away from the others. If you are dumb enough to tell priests and psychiatrists anything you do not deserve protection.

    NOTE: Priests told Soviet Communists everything they heard in the confession box in order to continue operating. So much for the seal of the confessional never being broken.

    Let me be clear on this. The only way to enforce the First Amendment, and respect the doctrine of Separation of Church and State, is to keep every religion out of the public trough. So long as the Socialist religion gets tax dollars traditional religions should also get them.

    I wonder if Pat Buchanan saw this?:


    Here’s another take on diversity from:

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    I love this quote:

    TRIVIA: Mrs. Campbell was the original Eliza Doolittle, a part written especially for her.

    This final excerpt offers a bit of humor:



    America: No longer 1 nation, 1 people
    Pat Buchanan cites ways 'diversity' has harmed United States
    Published: 6 days ago
    Patrick J. Buchanan

    Speaking to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Albuquerque in 2001, George W. Bush declared that, as Mexico was a friend and neighbor, “It’s so important for us to tear down our barriers and walls that might separate Mexico from the United States.”

    Bush succeeded. And during his tenure, millions from Mexico exploited his magnanimity to violate our laws, trample upon our sovereignty, walk into our country and remain here.

    In 2007, supported by John McCain, Hillary Clinton, Teddy Kennedy and Barack Obama, Bush backed amnesty for the 12 million people who had entered America illegally.

    The nation thundered no. And Congress sustained the nation.

    The latest mass border crossing by scores of thousands of tots, teenagers and toughs from Central America has killed amnesty in 2014, and probably for the duration of the Obama presidency.

    Indeed, with the massive media coverage of the crisis on the border, immigration, legal and illegal, and what it portends for our future, could become the decisive issue of 2014 and 2016.

    But it needs to be put in a larger context. For this issue is about more than whether the Chamber of Commerce gets amnesty for its members who have been exploiting cheap illegal labor.

    The real issue: Will America remain one nation, or are we are on the road to Balkanization and the breakup of America into ethnic enclaves? For, as Ronald Reagan said, a nation that cannot control its borders isn’t really a nation anymore.

    In Federalist No. 2, John Jay wrote, “Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people – a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs. … ”

    He called Americans a “band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties.” The republic of the founders for whom Jay spoke did not give a fig for diversity. They cherished our unity, commonality and sameness of ancestry, culture, faith and traditions.

    We were not a nation of immigrants in 1789.

    They came later. From 1845-1849, the Irish fleeing the famine. From 1890-1920, the Germans. Then the Italians, Poles, Jews and other Eastern Europeans. Then, immigration was suspended in 1924.

    From 1925 to 1965, the children and grandchildren of those immigrants were assimilated, Americanized. In strong public schools, they were taught our language, literature and history, and celebrated our holidays and heroes. We endured together through the Depression and sacrificed together in World War II and the Cold War.

    By 1960, we had become truly one nation and one people.

    America was not perfect. No country is. But no country ever rivaled what America had become. She was proud, united, free, the first nation on earth. And though the civil rights movement had just begun, nowhere did black peoples enjoy the freedom and prosperity of African-Americans.

    Attorney General Eric Holder said Sunday that America is today in “a fundamentally better place than we were 50 years ago.”

    In some ways that is so. Equality of rights has been realized. Miraculous cures in medicine have kept alive many of us who would not have survived the same maladies half a century ago.

    But we are no longer that “band of brethren.” We are no longer one unique people “descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion.”

    We are from every continent and country. Nearly 4 in 10 Americans trace their ancestry to Asia, Africa and Latin America. We are a multiracial, multilingual, multicultural society in a world where countless countries are being torn apart over race, religion and roots.

    We no longer speak the same language, worship the same God, honor the same heroes or share the same holidays. Christmas and Easter have been privatized. Columbus is reviled. Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee are out of the pantheon. Cesar Chavez is in.

    Our politics have become poisonous. Our political parties are at each other’s throats.

    Christianity is in decline. Traditional churches are sundering over moral issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. Islam is surging.

    Our society seems to be disintegrating. Over 40 percent of all births now are illegitimate. Among Hispanics, the figure is 52 percent. Among African-Americans, 73 percent.

    And among children born to single moms, the drug use rate and the dropout rate, the crime rate and the incarceration rate, are many times higher than among children born to married parents.

    If a country is a land of defined and defended borders, within which resides a people of a common ancestry, history, language, faith, culture and traditions, in what sense are we Americans one nation and one people today?

    Neocons say we are a new kind of nation, an ideological nation erected upon a written Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    But equality, democracy and diversity are not mentioned in the Constitution. As for what our founding documents mean, even the Supreme Court does not agree.

    More and more, 21st-century America seems to meet rather well Metternich’s depiction of Italy – “a geographic expression.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/america-no-longer-1-nation-1-people/
     
  2. John S

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    Pat Buchanan? - WOW.
     
  3. martin76

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    I don´t know who devil is Pat Buchanan, but I know what he is not at all a historian.

    Of course, yes. Inmigration to America begun in XVI century to nowadays and in 1789, 100% american (save natives) came from Europe like settlers.
    I think US neve was a country but a constitution...fortunately, that the great US success... a land without a past, without history, built by immigrants in freedom.

    :eek:ldman America never speak the same language, save you believe spaniards, french and dutchmen speak English... or natives... in fact, english language was a minority in North America till 1848/1850...and always Spanish and French was spoke in North America... in fact, the "foreigners" were who spoke English in la Nouevelle Orléans in Louisiana or in San Agustín, Florida...or in El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula, nowadays L.A. in California... to think in US always speak English like the only language is a Tale..

    Another tale, in US always there were many "Gods", from Sioux to Kiowa... and between european two main blocks: Catholics (the first to arrive to US) and protestant... and subsequently: Orthodox and Jews... and now Islam

    America never have been nothing like that.. Border always were changing, people came from everywhere.. America is a Constitution.. the land of Freedom where everyone could develop the ingenuity and thriving..

    a contradiction in terms: "no longer speak the samen language" and Columbus... This guy never spoke your language. .and never spoke Rober E. Lee language. moreover, these men had successes and failures like all of us .. the mystification is absurd ... it's okay for full of hormones and airheads teenagers but not for people who are able to think for itself (I assume we've all passed the 15 y.o.)

    America is a great country by the Constitution and for being the World´s "pool" around where no matter the language, religion, social class or the bonds of old Europe.Each person progresses according to its ability. US are chinese, and italian, irish, polish, swedish, german etc etc.

    America ALWAYS was diversity.
     
  4. Flanders

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    To martin76: English was the primary language in the colonies from the very beginning. The Constitution was written in English after the War for Independence established THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as a country. The Civil War was fought to preserve the Union rather than have the continent divided into 2 countries.
     
  5. martin76

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    I don´t think so, Mr Flanders. English was not the primary language between europeans arrived to Virginia, Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama.. It is a fact, the first european in Virginia or in South and North Carolina were Spaniards.. and they didn´t speak English.. .Spaniards explored, took possession, established forts ... many years before any English came to these lands. Facts. Chesapeake Bay.. not, Bahía de Santa Maria. Spaniards arrived to Virginia in 1570, they took possession like a Spanish Dominion and explored the area.

    http://www.virginiaplaces.org/settleland/spanish.html

    The Spaniards came first; the English were not the first Europeans to try to colonize Virginia. In the 1560's, Spanish officials sent a military expedition inland that explored southwestern Virginia, and tried to establish a settlement on the Chesapeake Bay. They explored the eastern coast of North America extensively, and tried to establish settlements in several locations along the Atlantic Coast in order to:

    So or do you think Spaniards spoke English or Yo didn´t know Spaniads arrived first to US than any other european.. In fact, the Spaniards were in NJ, Georgia, Virginia, North and South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Misissippi, Michigan or Idaho, many many many years before any English..

    For me It is a pleasure to teach you.

    Thanks.

    Or maybe Do you say English arrived to US before Spaniards? Source, please.
     
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    To martin76: You better improve your reading comprehension skills before you attempt teaching anybody anything.

    Frankly, I do not care when the Spaniards came to North America. The OP was about America after it became an independent nation. You are jumping back to the time period before the War for Independence. Even then those settlers who first came here spoke English, or they learned English in what came to be known as the melting pot.

    Now here is a lesson for you. More Americans can trace their ancestry back to Germany than back to any other country. Even more than immigrants from English-speaking countries like Great Britain, Ireland, and Scotland. Americans who can trace their bloodlines back to Germany all speak English; most cannot speak German, yet only Spanish-speaking Americans demand that government forms be printed in Spanish in addition to their other attacks on the English language and, by extension, attacks on America itself. In short: If Americans change the national language they should change it to German not Spanish.

    Finally, English was, and is, the language of commerce thanks to the British Empire followed by the United States of America. It would have been irresponsible for this nation’s Founders to adopt another language as the national language. I know that worldwide more people speak Spanish than speak any other language; nevertheless, it would be criminal to make Spanish America’s national language.
     
  7. martin76

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    But the point is that I have taught you something you did not know.

    And I don´t care your ignorance but don´t say stupid things like the British came to Virginia or Carolina before the Spaniards ... you know.. it is better to be silent and look idiot than to speak and confirm it. The fact is simple, the first european language in US was NOT english but Spanish... because the Spaniards were the first to arrive and take posession both in East (Virginia, Carolinas, Florida, Georgia etc) like in West (Oregon, California, Washington etc) Coast.. so simple so easy...The first cities, Forts etc in East Coast weren´t established by British,, FACT, my friend, FACTS... San Agustin, Florida... or San Juan in North Carolina (and I wrote San Juan, not Saint John) or Santa Maria in Chesapeake bay...


    False and wrong. They spoke in Spanish.. Facts are facts.. Chesapeake (Santa Maria, 1570) or Lopez de Ayllon in Carolinas. And Spaniards not only were in Coast.. they penetrated inside US...they crossed Virginia, North and South Carolina, Tennesee... many milles... my clever friend...and not, dear, the Spanish Conquistadors established forts thousands miles into US from the East Coast... many years before British appeared in the East Coast. Spaniards penetrated to Missouri and Tennessee from the Coast... Facts, my intelligent friend, Facts. Maybe it's a surprise for you, but Historic is not a Hollywood movie ... and not, my dear, British didn´t arrive first to USA but Lopez, Sanchez, Martinez... facts are facts.

    Before there was Jamestown and even before there was Roanoke, there was Spain's Fort San Juan, in the Appalachian foothills of North Carolina.

    And I am writting about the East Coast.. from Texas to Potomac... Till in Wikipedia (a very average encyclopedia) you can read:

    Spanish was the language spoken by the first permanent European settlers in North America

    Blessed the man who having nothing to say, abstain to prove it.

    You goofed my goofy friend... (Remember, a book It´s not a Pizza). What you have written now, it was wrriten by me in this forum few months ago.. so you teach me nothing, my delicious and goofy friend. German Inmigration... What a piece of news to me!!!!

    No demand... like you know nothing about History, It is logic you are confused... Florida was a Spanish Dominion.. from 1513 to February 22, 1819, exactly for 306 years... and the european people in Florida spoke Spanish from 1513 (Vasco Nuñez de Balboa). So, when US bought Florida to Spain by 5.000.000 $, the people spoke Spanish.. so.. Where is the "attack"? They spoke Spanish from 300 years... It not the Spanish, but the English language who arrived very late to Florida...so It is no attack... If you didn´t like Spanish language. It was very easy... Don´t buy Florida! But if you bought a Spanish Dominion, it is LOGIC people spoke in Spanish... It would be illogical if in a Spanish Dominion people spoke in latvian...
    the language of commerce changed by age.. from sumerian to Latin, Spanish, French, Dutch, English, and future Chinese... The language are changing always... English It was very important in 1900 and it is very important in 2014.. but who knows in 2050?
    Any language is national.. language is what people used in comunications.. the Spaniards arrived the first... and Spanish language was spoken from Virginia to California and from Oregon to Florida...when other people arrived.. the English language was stablished there because they were majority...when majority change again.. english language will be reduced... but nothing change... because there are no national languages. people do languages​​, not languages do ​​people .. no one (or very few) spoke English at Florida in 1819 (and nobody in 1713 or 1513) ... now most speak English ... in 2040, the Spanish may again be a majority language in Florida ... so what? Like if its the Latvia language the majority language in California...
    English is not a national language in America... When Spaniards arrived to Virginia...Any native spoke english!

    Today you have learnerd your second lessons: languages ​​never belong to a territory .. expand or contract depending on the population .... a Language never is no criminal or national.

    Regards my goofy friend.
     
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    No, you wrote English was the primary language in the colonies from the very beginning. and I´ve proved you wrong. In the COLONIES primary language from the very beginning was Spanish.. save you can prove:

    a) The conquistadors spoke English
    b) The English arrived first...

    But you have not proved (and never you will prove) none of both options ... so hard to recognize your mistake and say you did not know that fact? In USA English is the first language because the Dominions that became independent in 1783 were neither the French nor the Spanish ones but the British.. and because the British Dominions were colonies of settlement (while Spanish and French territories used their Dominions in North America for commercial activities and / or strategic point). Immigrants (from Europe) adopted English as their language ... but Hispanics (who lived there long before the arrival of the English language) continue talking, in many cases, in Spanish (similar to the French in Quebec ).Therefore, to say that US spoke only English, is simply false.
    French in Louissiana was used for generations, like Spanish in Florida or California.

    So, Speak in French or Spanish is not any attack to US...both are language spoke in Nort America from the beginning of european arrived. Spanish from 1513, French from 1562...in US has always spoke in many languages, because US is not New Zealand.

    Regards
     
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    Or better yet, abolish the public trough entirely :)
     
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    To martin76: I did not intend to waste any more time on a halfwit but fate intervened. Last night Laura Ingraham talked about the very topic of language in the enclosed video. First let me point that the COLONIES meant the BRITISH COLONIES not the Spanish Colonies. ENGLISH WAS THE LANGUAGE OF THE COLONIES.

    Laura Ingraham covers the Spanish language problem in today’s America; a problem that never existed with any other non-English-speaking immigrant group that came here:



    To Steady Pie: My sentiments exactly. Repealing the XVI Amendment would do it in one swipe. Sad to say, that is not going to happen anytime in the foreseeable future.
     
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    Without income taxation they'd just do what they currently do - print and borrow money.

    You need to stop spending, not just taxation. Spending before taxation.
     
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    To Steady Pie: The income tax funds coerced charity; the moral justification for the welfare state and all of its inherent evils. Without that money coming in two things must happen:

    1. The welfare state cannot be maintained. In other words individuals will not be forced to fund charities, religions, and political causes not of their own choosing. (See the Eric Hoffer quote following my signature.)

    2. A tax system for the SOLE purpose of funding necessary government will replace the income tax.

    Incidentally, over the years I’ve debated the question of which one of the two should be abolished first —— the Federal Reserve or the income tax? I’m guessing that you would choose the federal reserve. I would abolish both, but do the income tax first.

    p.s. You might enjoy the underhanded origin of the Federal Reserve if you have not seen this video before. It is lengthy but well worth the time:

     
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    If you had specified, I would have understood better. There were many Colonies in North America and the British were not the first nor the largest. That was the reason that I had to teach you the Spanish colonies in the Carolinas, Virginia, Georgia etc. If you had specified british colonies would be better.

    A preciseness to Mr Ingraham and you. Spanish language didn´t inmigrate to Texas... Spanish Language WAS and IS in Texas, many generations before nobody speaking English arrived there. So We must to speak correctly: English language inmigrate to Texas. Texas is in USA like Quebec in Canada.. In Texas Spanish Language has been spoken from XVI Century to nowadays..Do you know the historian Stanley Payne? He is from Texas.. and he remembers hearing Spanish in Texas for all his life (and was born in 1934) ... The Spanish language arrived in Texas in 1520...many years/generations/centuries before nobody speak English in that latitudes....

    It is funny that a "inmigrant" like Mr Ingraham want to force the original population of Texas (a Spanish name which means roofs) to change the language..Save Mr Ingraham was a native...he arrived to Texas many many centuries later than Spaniards...If he doesn´t like to listen spanish is very easy for him... Don´t go to Texas. Because in Texas, the Spanish language was spoken before, during and after the annexation to Union... German inmigrants arrived to US.. Spanish in Texas didn´t arrived to US but to a Spanish Dominion... like french in Quebec. Well, in fact, Texas was more Spanish than Quebec French... Texas belonged to Spain from 1519 to 1821, exactly for 302 years, It means 12 generations:

    between the time the Texas shoreline was first viewed by a Spaniard in 1519 and July 21, 1821, when the flag of Spain was lowered for the last time at San Antonio

    I tried to find Ingraham in google.. but from what I've seen, his family didn´t come from the Spanish governors of Texas .. that means it's a "newcomer" to Texas .. and that's fine ... the greatness of US is everyone is free and in compliance with laws, can make himself .. but please .. Ingraham ought to shut the mouth. He was the last to arrive t to Texas and has no right to say what language must speak the descendants of the Spaniards conquested, explored and colonized the territory. He is free to speak English as Mr Martinez, a texan lived there from XVII century, is free to speak in Spanish, like It was spoken by his family for generations...Why Mr Ingraham doesn´t want to change the name? Texas is a Spanish name , in English is Roof.. I can Imagine. Dallas in Roof State...:roflol: JFK was killed in Dallas (Roof State)...

    the names of physiographical features such as Llano Estacado, Guadalupe Mountains, and Padre Island serve as reminders of Spanish explorers and conquistadors who crossed Texas well before the English settled the Atlantic Coast of North America. Spaniards introduced numerous European crops, irrigation at San Antonio and other mission sites, livestock, and livestock-handling techniques.

    Only an ignorant man or a red neck may be surprised to hear Spanish language in Texas ... it would be strange to hear Spanish in Finland ... but in Texas !!!!!

    Regards...
     
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    To martin76: If you did not notice that Laura Ingraham is female most likely you did not hear what SHE had to say about the issue.

    [video]http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html#/v/3720186455001[/video]​


     
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    There other colonies in usa as well, new sweden on the delaware river and new amsterdam, the dutch of new amsterdam (new york) added numerous dutch words to the american vocabulary...
     
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    Of course yes, but I don´t know if Swedish language is spoken in Delaware nowadays or Dutch in New York. Dutch was spoken in Nieuw-Amsterdam between 1625 and 1690, more or less. But nowadays I don´t know how many people speak Dutch in New York. Swedish Empire was in Delaware between 1630 - 1660 and I don´t know how many people speak swedish in Delaware in 2014.
     

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