The beheading of Christian CHILDREN has begun !

Thank You for That.

 

All that to say that you disagree. Nothing regarding that I am wrong, basically conceding I am right. Which of course is true.

 

Guess that is why most dems voted for it.

 

Do those lost lives mean anything to you? I am for maintaining a small force, enough to manage the gains made. That is fitting to those who died in Iraq.

 

To make it easier on the both of us we'll both have to agree to disagree on this thread.

 

Things became very violent when we pulled out of Vietnam too.. Would you prefer that we were still there?

 

We didn't win that war. I'm not sure you were around then. How can you stay in a war that you lost?

We won in Iraq, only to lose it because of Obama's unwillingness to honor those that gave their all.

 

I was an adult back then.. and you're right.. we didn't win in Vietnam.. We didn't win in Iraq either.. George Dubya just claimed we won.

Fool should have read some British history in Iraq... but instead he was enamored of the PNAC idiots.

 

Disagreed on both points and the reasons are similar.

We won Vietnam militarily. What we lost was the war of wills. The war at Home. On the battlefield we won almost every battle, even Tet. Many at home saw Tet as proof our efforts were wasted, but in reality is was akin to WWII's Ardennes Counteroffensive aka Battle of the Bulge. It was a last final desperate grab to win. Strategically, we misfought the war using body counts for score-keeping. Since the war wasn't about taking territory north of the DMZ, our choices were limited by politics and the desire to not turn the war into WWIII against the Chinese.

I strongly admire the sacrifice and will to fight held by the VC and NVA, but that isn't always enough to win wars. What they had which we did not was support on the home front. They persevered and we bailed.

In Iraq, we faced the same problems as Vietnam. It was a quagmire where we were fighting the Middle East equivalent of VC in towns and villages. Guerrilla warfare is a tough fight, but we were winning. The problem is that we can't just hand over democracy to people who've lived under a brutal dictatorship for 30+ years regardless if they are South Vietnamese or Iraqis. They don't know what to do with it. They're more worried about feeding their families, having access to clean water and reliable electric power for a few hours every day.

Even if McCain and Palin had won, I think the outcome in Iraq would have devolved into what it is now. We would have left because the home front was tired of almost a decade of wars with the faces of young Americans who died being shown on television along with the 6 o'clock news just as you and I saw in the 1960s.

 

I guess you just didn't read the previous post, did ya now?

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I guess I have to call BULL(*)(*)(*)(*) on that.

 

More concession. OK, as you wish.

 

So you're telling me that Obama spent 3.8 trillion dollars last year bailing out banks, auto companies, and waging wars for 8 years, all while lowering taxes? That's the most ridiculous answer I've ever heard.

The actual answer is that our government is a bloated Goliath that spends billions of dollars on things that have nothing at all to do with roads, bridges, police, teachers, and military. None of this excess is ever put under a microscope. The microscope is reserved for roads, bridges, police, teachers, and the military when it's convenient for people to argue that the government needs more money. To serve this goal, money intended for roads, bridges, police, teachers, and the military is put into a general fund and spent on special interests and cronies. Case in point: CT has one of the highest gas taxes in the nation. In the last 7 years the state has spent more than 1.7 billion dollars of those revenues on programs that had nothing to do with transportation. Is that because our transportation system is the best in the nation? Nope. We rank 6th worst in the nation.

Enough is enough. The government has more money than it knows what to do with. The solution to the problem is not to give it more. The solution is to limit the government, take away their power to spend this money on their pet programs, and force them to spend what little we give them on making sure citizens don't have to worry about getting their heads cut off by primitive barbarians.