Dark Age America: A Bitter Legacy

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  1. Small_government_caligula

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    http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2014/08/dark-age-america-bitter-legacy.html

    One thing I certainly agree with...our descendants far in the future will not remember us well at all and will spit on our memory.
     
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    Nah. They'll forget us like we've forgotten the fifties and the Korean War.
     
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    They will have to live in the unlivable filth we leave for them, so I doubt they will have the luxury of being as myopic, short-sighted and self-centered as us.
     
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    If our future generations haven't figured out how to clean it up or adapt and thrive whining about us is the least of their problems...
     
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    What do you want dude? We have the most regulated environment in the world. We have a declining population all over the developed world. Seems like you are just screaming more for the sake of screaming more.
     
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    You should probably read the article I posted before commenting.
     
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    You should also read the article I posted, and not make it into your fantasy about me railing against capitalism and demanding big government. Can you please read the damn article before completely condemning my premise?
     
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    Conservatives and neoconservatives are notoriously shortsighted, their refusal to face the truth about unsustainable trickle down economics, mankind's influence on climate change, and the need for a rapid switch to alternative energy, prove this. Just to name a few issues.
     
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    We've all seen the sky is falling narrative before, and this a bit more extreme than most. Future generations will be just fine, they'll adapt and develop the technologies they need to survive...
     
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    Like most right-wingers, you really have no idea what is happening around you.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well if I had the insights left wingers were singing not so long ago the ocean would be 20 feet higher now and millions would have perished... You people buy into every ounce of propaganda that comes out that's doom and gloom and save sweet Gaia...
     
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    Every day that we're alive is another day refuting the "We're screwed" mantra.
     
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    Hey guy, on Halloween last year the seventh billion person was born. According to this world population clock, there have been over 254 million more people since then.

    So I don't think there is any sort of depopulation going on.

    Here's the clock:

    http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
     
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    Well, the point of the article is actually that modern industrial society is still a relatively new stage in human development, and right now it is in its stage of uncontrolled growth. Taken to its logical conclusion, uncontrolled growth eventually hits a brick wall. Trickle-down economics and deregulation and such are attempts to keep everything going for just a little longer, but since no one can currently envision or articulate a sustainable vision for industrial mass societies, there are no realistic political alternatives. Hence you have "centrist" Republican and Democrats basically agreeing on everything related to economics. The point of the article is mainly this: "Any brand new mode of human subsistence is thus normally cruising for a bruising, and will get it in due time at the hands of the biosphere." I thought it was interesting and worth a think about.
     
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    You can cherry pick whatever you want, but if climate change keeps western states in a severe drought condition, especially California, you will be lucky to find food. Despite your myopic confidence, the right-wingers will suffer along with the rest of the insignificant citizens when scarcity of food puts it beyond the means of average Americans. The very rich and the military necessary to protect them from the starving masses will receive priority. The farmlands of Texas are also drying up. So, keep your head buried in the sand and keep swallowing every lie FOX News tells you.

    Conservatives and neoconservatives have no concept of what it takes to feed over 300 million people.
     
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    Moving right along straight to the class warfare narrative, how utterly predictable...

    Doom and gloom is all you see and all you want to hear about, its laughable...
     
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    And you are whistling in the dark, hoping things won't get too bad before you die, and to he11 with the future generations.
     
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    Hardly, I just don't fall for every worst case scenario like its a sure thing...
     
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    Eventually, luck will run out. The question is, when?
     
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    Economically speaking, I think our present system is bound to fail eventually. It's the debt and interest that will likely bring it about.

    But technologically, we're in a very new situation indeed. No failed civilisation of the past had science as we have it, nor the level of communication we enjoy.. I think people need to pay more attention to just how different modern times are from the past before attempting to draw up parallels to the past. We are not Rome in very many ways indeed.
     
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    Talk about having no faith in human ingenuity. The two main points of this article, topsoil and nuclear dangers, can both be dealt with. Right off the top of my head, aquaponics (a symbiotic combination of hydroponics and aquaculture) and thorium reactors supplemented by wind, solar, and hydroelectric have the potential to feed and power the people of the future. A dark age? Please. We have just entered the information age, and the combined brainpower of unprecendented information sharing will provide solutions that smaller groups would not come up with on their own, in a snowball effect. Nowhere in this article is it mentioned just why we are all supposed to get stupid and lose the ability to adapt. The "Dark Age" is just assumed, and that is what makes this article a strawman.
     
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    future generations will know NOTHING about the past, because the way things are going, they won't be able to read.
     
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    It is every bit as likely that they will think of this as a golden age and wish to figure out how to emulate it. Those stuck with a Luddite world of the sort your average environmentalist imagines seldom enjoy it.
     

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