Cop fired at brown 6 times...paused then fired 4 more?

People can have their orbital fractured without being knocked unconscious. But don't let that stop you from spouting your talking points.

 

I doubt we'll know the truth about his eye until after the Grand Jury. It's going to be hard to prove the shots heard on the clip are the actual shooting or not. We probably won't know that either until after the Grand jury

 

Yeah, how many rounds were fired should not be an issue. I wouldn't be surprised if this is faked or an accident considering how many things these... Brownian agitators(?) have gotten wrong.

 

We heard the same claims of a riot of Zimmerman was acquitted...

 

Pssst....you mean magazine, a clip is something women wear in their hair....

 

Or a clip is a device that holds bullets, like in an M1 Garand or a moon clip for use with a revolver. A magazine is for women to read when getting their hair done.

 

Yeah I have some experience with orbit fractures do you want to explain how he was able to focus with double vision, also what it does to the sinuses??? Please explain Mr. Wizard. All the evidence shows he didnt have one. But go ahead and promote a rightwing theory

 

But he's referring to a pistol, more than likely a semi-automatic rather than a revolver, so....magazine.

 

It's funny how some information is released and then people start tacking on their own preconceptions.

There may have been ten shots fired. But then you automatically legitmize the ten shots without missing a heart beat. "Yeah, of course. 10 shots were needed. He was a maniac, I was there...or not."

And then everyone else.

"Well in my survivor course we learned that nothing less than five shots can put a man down and that if you disagree with the polices story you must be a liberal. Derp..."

Of course, these people never seem to think their unanimous support for police in every situation like this (or a security guard - Zimmerman) implies a gross bias in themselves...

 

The most imposing problem that we have here is that we pay ridiculously low wages for people upon whom we load ridiculously heavy responsibility, and we expect ridiculously high standards and then, when they uphold those responsibilities, we subject them to ridiculous analysis by people who have ridiculous prejudices! You and I have no business analyzing this case, because we have no more than shreds of evidence. We will impose our personal prejudices up in the incomplete evidence that we have. Why do we hire people to do dangerous jobs and then presume that they are lying the first time they have to defend themselves?

 

Who even cares if the assault on the officer resulted in an orbital fracture? If the thug bumrushed the officer, the officer had a duty to end the thug.

 

Van Freaking Jones is conceding that the officer may have had a legitimate reason for pausing.

It's over, Mello.

 

I think CNN is about to lose some credibility here because the audio doesn't mesh with the testimony of Dorian Johnson's (Brown's friend) either.

 

And he takes the bait!!!! For several years now, the caliber debate has been settled. Do your own research, and discover that any actual difference in "stopping power" between the common pistol calibers is negligible. The guy I mentioned was using a .45. The ONLY shot that stopped the bad guy was through the brain. We can assume that M. Brown was killed by a .40 S&W. The ONLY shot that stopped him was (surprise) through the brain. Spend a few years yourself, reading FBI statistics, stories on Box o' Truth, and conducting your own tests with various media, and you too will understand that there is ZERO measurable difference between 9mm, 40S&W; .357 Mag. or SIG, .45 ACP etc...
You say our cop needs a trip to the range. Are you that competent? He hit the bad guy 17 times, in a shoot-out.
Here's the story:
http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/
You'll see that I missed some of the numbers from memory. They guy was in fact as well trained a marksman as any department has. Read.
Also notice the stories linked at the top, about the Brown shooting. The site is "Police One", so it's interesting to see their take on things.

 

Let me add to that statement that I have experience with shooting to thwart an attack. I hit the arm, too. And did not have an orbit fracture. In the heat of an attack, misses and bad hits are common.

 

I never said he didn't...there are scenarios wich he would be justified and scenarios where he wouldn't

 

Ah so you've seen all the evidence? Just in case you didn't notice I said if he had an orbital fracture in my original post. So who's the one pushing party theories? I'm not the one claiming to have all the answers I was just exploring possible reasons why 10 shots could have been fired. So if the kid was standing there with his hands up and the cop was in perfect physical condition why would he need 10 shots?

How did you know I'm a wizard? I don't talk about my wizarding on this forum.

 

Double vision is hardly guaranteed:

"A study by Boffano et al indicated that the characteristics of diplopia vary according to the type of orbital wall fracture. The report, in which just over 50% of 447 patients with pure blow-out fractures presented with evidence of diplopia, found statistically significant associations between orbital floor fractures and diplopia on eye elevation, and between medial wall fractures and horizontal diplopia. The investigators suggested, therefore, that the form of diplopia that a patient demonstrates may offer clues to the type of orbital fracture present."

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/867985-overview#a0112

"Orbital floor fractures may result when a blunt object, which is of equal or greater diameter than the orbital aperture, strikes the eye. The globe usually does not rupture, and the resultant force is transmitted throughout the orbit causing a fracture of the orbital floor. Signs and symptoms can be quite varied, ranging from asymptomatic with minimal bruising and swelling to diplopia, enophthalmos, hypo-ophthalmia (ie, hypoglobus), and hypoesthesia of the cheek and upper gum on the affected side. Treatment is titrated to the degree of injury."

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1218283-overview

Here's a tip: To shoot a gun while you're suffering diplopia, simply close one eye and chances are you won't see double.

 

I think people tend to take ambiguous data and make it seem like an affirmation or proof. More so since the source is hardly trustworthy beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

How can you hope to get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt when there is clearly reasonable doubt?

 

Good of you to change your mind, I would have called you out as a hypocrite (yes I saw your deleted post).

 

My deleted post was addressed to Breskier, but he changed his quote so I changed my response.

I'm not sure how I was a hypocrite, though. Tell me what I said.

 

I wouldn't say your guesswork was educated at all. In fact, just the opposite.

 

It's rather off topic now, but you took ambiguous data and made it seem factual. I assumed that's why you deleted it. Either way it's gone so it's all good, unless you care to re-post it.

 

I agree. We don't pay teachers nearly enough and then crap on them because Billy can't read.