Straight talk about Putin and Russia

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not all, but most of them.
    O.k., let's get one thing straight: You don't mean "bare" arms, like naked arms or barefoot - you mean to "bear" arms, as in carry weapons. You made a spelling mistake and I capitalized on it with that bare armed picture. Get it now? Just a little fun.
    Clarification:
    bare = naked, empty; Mother Hubbard's cupboard was bare.
    bear = to carry something like a gun;
    bear = animal, like black or brown bear.
    You poor thing! I can hardly bear to see you suffering, you sweet little bear!!:smile: Can I make you a cup of Chamomile tea??
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    Wishing you a speedy recovery!
     
  2. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see! Studying French in Canada, eh?? I'll be ...!
    Well, I'm actually in France studying English!!! Ha ha... :p
     
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    Thank you for clearing that up. In school I was not good with English or maybe it was just a lack of effort.

    As for tea that would be great. I have been steaming tea tree oil and inhaling it to feel better. That and sleeping all day.
     
  4. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, you must be feeling better. I see you are on line.
    To cheer you up I brought you a nice website of oligarchs: :wink:

    Russian Jewish oligarchs

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    http://martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/oct2008/russian-jewish-oligarchs.html

    In the States ...
    http://xevolutie.blogspot.ca/2011/01/96-russian-jewish-oligarchs-mirror-for.html
    -------------------------
    Dear Private Citizen, don't take all this too serious. It really doesn't matter how much money a person has, a happy heart is far more important.
     
  5. mihapiha

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    Question:

    Why is it important if someone is Jewish or not?
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What? The "Reich" captivated Moscow???
    That's not true! Never heard or read it anywhere. Please, provide some sort of proof.
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sorry, captives
     
  10. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hi, Oleg;
    I realize English is still a little difficult for you. You need lots of practice!:wink:

    So, let's clear this with Moscow. Do you mean the German soldiers marched into Moscow and held the city captive?

    From what I have heard the Germans only made it within 40km of Moscow - never occupied the city.
    Perhaps you mean Stalingrad?
     
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    no I mean
    captives(prisoners who being in captivity) of Ukr army went on the streets of Donetsk as well as captives(prisoners who being in captivity) of the Reich in Moscow in 1944
    i have given link
    again
    http://www.kharkovforums.com/showpost.php?p=341872&postcount=1

    2d video
     
  12. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why? Do you know something I don't? Tell me, please.
    Killing close to 300 people is not funny at all!
    Yes, that is very crazy! I wonder what the actual truth is behind the disappearance and then the reemerging of the same plane, except the first time the passengers were alive, but the second time it showed up over Ukraine the passengers were already dead when boarding in Amsterdam.
    No, it will be US with NATO against Russia and China! It can only be a nuclear war which I find hard to imagine. I rather think the US etc. will use other means to bring those two giants to their knees.
    But bringing democracy means destruction and subjugation. USA against Russia would be a democracy against another democracy.
    I don't think it was quite that simple. For instance, where did the "Nazis" come from?
    Why did the US give them right away 10 billion $$? Why are they having a hand in there?
    Why does it look just like Egypt, Libya, Syria... all the same pattern.
    We will have to wait and see what the Zionists' plan is. They have the last word, because they hold the actual power.
    Yes, that could very well come to pass. The Brits are the Brits!
    Russia doesn't want war. That should be abundantly clear from Putin's reaction during this crisis time. BUT will "they" leave him alone?
    Who owns the media? It's the eternal warmongers! Because that's where they make their money, lots of it.
    :smile: But China better look out. They are on the target list, I heard.
     
  13. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    O.k., now I get it! It is me who is having the problem!
    Seeing the pictures helped. The first video doesn't play, but I know what you want to show... Ukraine prisoners in Donetsk.
    The second video shows German prisoners in Moscow in 1944.

    I feel very sorry for all the haggard men. Wars should be forbidden!!
     
  14. mihapiha

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    I can only say that this is called "alternative history", and as a true historian I get disappointed every time I see hobby historians getting more credibility than we do...
     
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    If you're a conspiracy buff, enjoy it, but please don't take it too serious.

    To the thing I marked red: I know it might be hard to believe, but the cold war is over!

    To the thing I marked blue: The NAZI party was founded in what is today's Czech republic. To the Anti-Semitic weird comments I have only one thing to say: Get help! Talk to a therapist or something, because it cannot be normal to be that paranoid about jewish people.

    The rest I won't even address as it is far too weird. I keep asking myself: Why do people without education in history get this much credibility? Why is that in my profession people who don't know what they're doing get more credibility than my colleges and myself? I think in other professions it doesn't happen. I don't think people would trust a hobby doctor or a hobby lawyer or a hobby architect to do things for them.
     
  16. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, I can't help it... I'm stuck with it, because it has all happened. One can not argue it away.
    Would you say Mr. Benjamin Freedman is a liar, a nonsense talker?
    What about Mr. Finkelstein or even the Jazz player Gilad Atzmon? They are Jewish.
    You MUST know how the Zionists behaved in Russia, massacred the Tzar family and 1000 upon 1000 other people.
    You also must know what the Zionists are doing in Palestine!
    You think it is all peanuts or not even true?

    I would love to get convinced otherwise. Please, try!
     
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    Benjamin Freedman is an American anti-semetic activist and not a historian! You're basing your positions on an activist with an obvious anti-semitic agenda?
    Gilad Atzmon is a musicien. Why does he have any credibility in history?

    basic stuff: when you read a book of any kind you start by reading about the author first. Hitler's "Mein Kampf" is not based on facts.
     
  18. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no harm in keeping it on the back burner, is there?
    Doesn't look like it. Why does the West hit Russia with sanctions?
    Why do they accuse Putin right away of having shot down that Malaysian airliner, without having any proof whatsoever?
    Read here: http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/02/ukraine-evidence-cold-war/
    O.k., No Argument!
    IF you are a Jewish historian, then the history books will be accordingly.
    I am fairly new at politics and still need to find the right perspective. Yesterday I found you a lovely person to chat with, but you changed over night! Sad. But such is the internet.
    I think we should stick to the thread theme before the mods remind us,
     
  19. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have never read that book yet, but one day I'll get around to it.
    Let's quit this dialog, it leads nowhere.
     
  20. mihapiha

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    to put you at ease: I'm neither Jewish nor have I jewish heritage I know of but I have a family tree back to the 1770s. I am simply an histroian and my work covers some areas people happen to be badly misinformed.

    the cold war is over because the US and Russia will not go to war in the forseeable future. The sanctions are im place for the US president to save face with his own people, just like I said yesterday. Neither EU nor US will do anything against Russia anyhow. They're just talking hard to safe face. Russia and Putin, just like I stated yesterday, are no danger to people who don't oppress Russians. Just like the US would jump if Americans would be treated unfairly elsewhere.

    You're welcome to prsent any evidence of any kind which would dispute that...
     
  21. Jazz

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    Nobody said he was! Put your antisemitic club where the sun don't shine! Anytime anything doesn't suit you, you swing that stupid club. You are only 29 years old and have the nerve to degrade an old honorable man who told the world the truth about the Zionist machinations the way he himself witnessed it and the way he saw it!!
    Yes, he is a musician and a great one at that! You are getting on my nerves with that bloated history chest of yours. It is all book knowledge that you have, IF you even have that!
    It is not a "history" book, as far as I know, but his personal story! You shouldn't have read it... a waste of your time! Besides, it very likely is anti....:omg:
     
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    Putin says:

    Ukraine Crisis Cannot Be Solved by Escalating Force Without Dialogue With Southeast

    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140826/192...sis-Cannot-Be-Solved-by-Escalating-Force.html

    The US instead keeps fueling the conflict. Gaping similarities with Syria:
    Russia meanwhile is flooded with close to a million refugees from East Ukraine.
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    In a couple of months it will be winter. Where to put those homeless Ukrainians?
    It is high time to stop the fighting and sit down and negotiate. Perhaps the South-East of Ukraine should become an independent state.
     
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    sure, moreover this land wasn't in Ukraine before communists
     
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    I think its too ridiculous for words that anyone had to die for this conflict. You can't force Russia to become part of the European Union, they have to choose (read vote) for something like that by themselves. Same counts for Ukraine, why do people HAVE to be part of the European Union if they don't want to? I am from Europe but i am siding with the Russians completely on this one, I think people in East- Ukraine have the right to a referendum. East Ukraine could then become a part of Russia without any bloodshed. I mean this is what democracy is about , choosing what life you want to live ,rather then a life that is being imposed on you. I feel very sad, this state of affairs is the worst. I as a European was so happy about the good cooperation we had with Russia, even to the point that i would love (and still do) to see Russia join hand in hand with the rest of Europe to become an economic stronghold. But the anti-europe and anti -america sentiment from the cold war is lingering too much still unfortunately. We should strive working together, not demolishing each other.
     
  25. Jazz

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    Oh my, I completely overlooked you. Pardon me, Sir!
    Anyway, I agree 100% with you. I think there are a lot of Europeans who feel the same. Russia is no longer a threat, but wishes to live peacefully amongst the nations of the earth. Putin tries hard to ignore the insults and provocations from the West.

    I don't think they want Russia to become a member of the EU. That doesn't make sense, but perhaps the Ukraine. And then have the Ukies join NATO.:clapping:

    Here is an example of European cooperation with Russia...

    A Norwegian drill rig owner is supplying Russian oil giant OAO Rosneft (ROSN) and Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) with the kind of high technology that will be barred under U.S. and European Union sanctions taking effect as soon as tomorrow.(Aug.1st)

    Though the EU said it will deny export licenses for equipment intended for deep-water and arctic oil production, Rosneft’s six rig leases from Seadrill Ltd. (SDRL)’s North Atlantic Drilling unit, signed July 29, appear to thwart sanctions intended to block Russian oil companies from obtaining Western drilling expertise. Seadrill’s unit can proceed with the Rosneft contracts, worth $4.25 billion, because they were signed before the sanctions take effect, said Rune Magnus Lundetrae, Seadrill’s chief financial officer.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-30/rosneft-signs-drilling-accords-for-north-atlantic-rigs.html

    How silly these sanctions are! Europe will be shooting itself in the foot! It is my suspicion that the US is pushing them.
     

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