Fox News: Rape victims need to take personal responsibility for drinking too much

Only a leftist moron would take offense at the suggestion that people exercise self control. Personal responsibility goes against everything they
stand for.

 

This is a straight up load of bullpucky. Any real Dr. would never say this. The woman's body has no way of knowing whether the act was consensual or not. Once the act happens biology takes over and if the time is right, baby's coming to dinner, wanted or not.

 

Its like when Aaron Lewis was throwing a fit about women being groped when crowd surfing. Not to say anyone deserves to be groped, but if people get groped, why should anyone be surprised when it happened to them?

When I attended Warped Tour there was a band Terror, the crowd was moshing by throwing kicks and performing spinning kicks. Overly aggressive moshing.
If I go into that and get my teeth knocked out by some stupid (*)(*)(*)(*), is that my fault? No.
However, should I have considered the fists and kicks flying? Absolutely.
If I see people getting knocked back six feet by dick heads, is it my fault when I get knocked back and sprain a wrist? No.
However, should I have considered the aggression before partaking? Absolutely.

This thread is comprised of a few people emitting shrill cries over a claim they cannot back, the claim that someone on this panel says it is the victims fault. This thread is comprised of a few people emitting shrill cries and repeatedly failing to address a simple point: You should not rely on other people for your safety. Especially if they are drinking too.

 

As I suspected, which is why I love the ignore feature.

And based on just the title, yes, anybody, be it women or men, should take responsibility for what happens to them because they drank too much.

 

And . . . there you would be wrong -- or wrong according to said leftwing M.D., who said something along the lines of since rape is a traumatic event the body does work at making sure that a pregnancy cannot occur. That's all I can recall of it, as it was nothing more than a point of interest in passing. Now being as he was a leftwing M.D. it's quite possible that he was a quack. But it was interesting.

 

Women are not personally responsible for being raped.

 

Women are not personally responsible for being raped, however there are precautions that can be taken to prevent rape, are there not?

 

Rape is a result of psychopathy. It's about power and control. It does not matter how a woman dresses, or carries herself, or how much she drinks. Women do not make men rape them.

 

I'm pretty sure he just misunderstood the post or got the wrong assumption from the title, as I did. At the surface, it makes it look like FOX News was blaming the victim. At least here, they are not. It sounds like good advice, but I haven't seen the original article so I don't know for sure.

 

Sounds like psycho-babble.

It could be about power and control at times, but I think it's more about getting sex even if you have to take it. They use power and control to acheive this, but it's not about power and control exclusively. A guy starts kissing on a girl...she kisses him...he tries some more...she refuses...he get's angry and forces it. Power and control...or frustration and passion (not the good kind) followed by immediate vindictiveness and spite?

 

No emotionally mature or stable man violently forces himself on a woman, not even rejection will make him do it. Are you saying that you, or the men you know--father, brother, uncle, son--are capable of waking up tomorrow morning and raping a woman?

Yeah, you might want to do some research on rape and psychopathy.

 

If you allow yourself to get stupid drunk you make a easier target. It does not make it ok for someone to rape you. Yet predators look for the weakest easiest prey to attack. If you are the drunkest girl at the party, you will have a better chance of being attacked. Is that fair? No. It is the truth however.

 

However, they do put themselves in positions that make it easier.

Robbery is a result of psychopathy. It's about power and control. If I flaunt cash cash in a concert, am I putting myself at a higher risk of being robbed? Yes or no only. Am I forcing anyone to rob me? Yes or no only. What precautions can I take to prevent myself from being robbed?

It is a matter of looking for out for yourself, your own well being, your own safety, and not putting yourself in the hands of other people when you are physically and mentally incapable of making your own decisions. See, there is no war against women or other feminist bull(*)(*)(*)(*). It is expecting the same level of self-reliance out of women as what is placed on men. I was taken advantage while (*)(*)(*)(*) faced drunk, do I blame the woman or myself for consuming 2/3 of a liter of rum in an hour, plus additional shots, plus a couple beers? This is a A or B question. Why should anyone trust anyone who has a sexual interest in them to take care of them when they are incapable of taking care of themselves?

We need less hand holding and coddling, and more black and white this is the way you do things. Grey areas only mean you are making excuses for people.

 

Some of them do. Liberals don't want to accept that the best way to teach a girl how to avoid getting raped is to make other girls who got themselves into it take responsibility and then that will help scare the others straight. I really wonder sometimes what liberals would do without conservatives to clean up their messes for them.

 

I'd say that emotional or mental stability requires stability all the time. But at some point and time even sane men are not emotionally or mentally stable and may do something they regret. Yes, there is a chance that my father, my brother, or my son may rape someone. Why...who knows. But there is a chance.

I never did any research on rape and psychopathy, but I'm guessing their general conclusions are controversial and are more suggestive than affirmative, no?

 

Women should also not dress so provocatively. You used to be able to distinguish which ones were hookers but not any more.

 

Nobody is saying that, for pete's sake. Rape like every other crime is about opportunity. So tell us genius, is it easier to sexually assualt somebody who is passed out drunk, or somebody who is halfway sober, and aware of their surroundings?

Why is something so simple so hard for you people to grasp.

 

Nah. There's a difference between wanting attention and wanting to be raped. At no point does provocative clothing give you the okay to force yourself on someone.

Besides...I don't think it's what you wear, but why you wear it. Some people wear less to get attention...or simply because it's more comfortable for them. If a man can't handle looking at bare skin without being provoked into criminal behavior, he needs his butt kicked.

 

People who completely deny the connection between alcohol consumption and rapes on campuses across the country, are only encouraging the very same behavior that lead to these women being raped in the first place.

You can't make this kinda of stupid up.

 

Why add that hyperbole about responsibility? No one on the Fox panel claimed that "the MEN who rape them HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY even when they are also drinking." I for one can agree with the sentiment that people need to take personal responsibility and avoid placing themselves at risk, and that includes situations involving alcohol, of course, where the risks of sexual abuse and rape go up considerably. That's not to say that a rapist is not at fault for taking advantage of an intoxicated victim.. It's just that people do have to be careful and take personal responsibility to avoid being taken advantage of.

The same advice could apply to a male as to a female, as the same dangers that apply to women from drinking too much alcohol can also apply to men, and that of course includes making bad choices under the influence, as well as simply becoming too incapacitated to resist some form of abuse by another.

 

Yeah all those crazy right wingers telling people to be mindful of their surroundings....

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=145927&page=3

Be aware of your surroundings—who's out there and what's going on.
Walk with confidence. The more confident you look, the stronger you appear.
Don't let drugs or alcohol cloud your judgment.
Be assertive—don't let anyone violate your space.
Trust your instincts. If you feel uncomfortable in your surroundings, leave.
Don't prop open self-locking doors.
Lock your door and your windows, even if you leave for just a few minutes.
Watch your keys. Don't lend them. Don't leave them. Don't lose them. And don't put your name and address on the key ring.
Watch out for unwanted visitors. Know who's on the other side of the door before you open it.
etc....

https://www.rainn.org/get-information/sexual-assault-prevention/social-situations

Don't leave your drink unattended while talking, dancing, using the restroom, or making a phone call. If you’ve left your drink alone, just get a new one.
Don't accept drinks from people you don't know or trust. If you choose to accept a drink, go with the person to the bar to order it, watch it being poured, and carry it yourself. At parties, don’t drink from the punch bowls or other large, common open containers.
Watch out for your friends, and vice versa. If a friend seems out of it, is way too intoxicated for the amount of alcohol they’ve had, or is acting out of character, get him or her to a safe place immediately.

http://www.uhs.berkeley.edu/home/healthtopics/sexualassault/saalcohol.shtml

Be alert to behavior of friends. If someone appears much more intoxicated than they should be, considering the amount of alcohol consumed, be concerned and closely monitor the person's behavior.

So apparently a site about preventing sexual assault, a medical website and those crazy wingnuts in Berkeley California ALL state that people should be mindful of their surroundings involving alcohol whether its not accepting drinks that you haven't seen made yourself or keeping an eye on your friends to see if they are too drunk.

What pisses me off is that NO ONE has given a pass to the rapists nor have they said that their part in the offense is in any way diminished. What is being talked about is common sense that apparently the OP and every liberal (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) completely ignores concerning how you protect yourself against predators.

 

Duh, you obviously haven't heard that telling women to not put themselves in dangerous situations is sexist.

 

So... if I recommended you not approach a group of ISIS fighters armed with a bible and try to convert them... would I be supporting Islamic terrorism? Inquiring minds want to know...

 

So you are saying that a woman should not be careful and protect herself ? Disgusting.....

 

That's a great argument if you lie by omitting the context of getting drunk, which is what Dobb's is referring to. If you actually read the context and don't apply some knee jerk liberal spin, isn't not that hard to grasp.