War as a Fact of Life

Live forever? Jonah, history and the future will be forged from war out of the need for change. It has and always will be with every nation. Victor or victim.

 

As usual your delusional view of the world is the very reason people like you "keep" the insanity of war a fact of life. Your excuses by using the industrial revolution have been noted to fuel that same fact of life you talk about. Better known as the insanity of war, rather than the "fact of life".

Has it ever occurred to you that the technology for war also fueled the incentive for war, thereby creating the need to even make war a business? How more counter intuitive can man be than to promote the business of, and the technology of war? Which is exactly what you are saying with your post. Instead of countries getting together to downsize the technology and business for war, you are all for the promotion of. Talk about having a selfish need to keep the drums beating for your own personal entertainment. And thanks for enlightening me on what I already knew about you and your love of war. It's those very excuses you gave in your post that keeps the world in a virtual state of war with itself. Congratulations to the war drum beaters. Your wishes have been granted.

 

your short history will be forged by war, not mine. iwill live forever.

 

I am Euro trash and you would be correct, I am getting along in years and mid 50's so not much history left. You seemed to be confused, are you a nation? Tribe?

You keep saying the word......I.

 

So you deny that humanity has always been warlike from prehistoric times to the present day? While you attribute the Op-Ed to me, I've made it perfectly clear that Mr. Alan Caruba is the author and I do find some agreement in his views. You on the other hand attempt to credit me with your ideological thoughts. Sorry there are no unicorns, or flying horses named Pegasus in the real world.

 

As many Opening threads you have posted on this very subject, do you really believe you fool people? For you, Pegasus in the real world very much exists. The problem with that is, you're right. We created the modern day "REAL" Pegasus, and we can get rid of it if we choose to. But we won't, because the war lovers will never have enough of the "REAL" Pegasus. There's too much "REAL" money at stake to go back now. And there's one thing we can always count on; the cheerleaders and the drum beaters will always keep us wipped up for another war. Just let them know when and where. They don't care.

 

Then explain why more Democrat leaders have involved themselves in war?

James K Polk- Democrat - Mexican-American war
Woodrow Wilson-Democrat - Mexican Revolution
Woodrow Wilson-Democrat - World War 1
Franklin D. Roosevelt- World War 2 - Democrat
Harry S Truman- Korean War - Democrat
John F Kennedy-Vietnam War - Democrat
Lyndon B Johnson-Vietnam War - Democrat ​

You were saying?

 

I don't know what illicit drugs you are using. However, you Marxian conception of true Utopia with Unicorns, rainbows and cotton candy for all is a myth. It's failed in every attempt causing the deaths of millions. In fact I believe that this movement in the Middle East is based upon the same ideology with a religious twist. Your premise about warmongering is negated by the bloodthirsty, barbaric, incestuous, monsters of Islamic terrorism.

 

It certainly does. Especially the Bull crap revisionist Socialism they teach today. No wonder you say the things you do. Grow up.

 

LOL!!!! Yeah ISIS are "liberals". God where do you people get this nonsense?

 

True... war has only recently become something to despise and avoid at all costs. In the past times, it had kinda a sacred value, even though peace was often considered preferable. The problem is they had arrows and spears, now we have nukes and other weapons of mass destruction so war is something to really avoid at all costs.

 

You forgot to throw in the most murderous religious organization in our history; "CHRISTIANITY". You see, that's the thing. You think everyone else is on drugs that doesn't think like you. But what you don't know is, is that the Christian terrorists and the Islamic terrorists are smoking the same thing, while both have caused the deaths of millions. Your diluted concept of one size fits all in this equation has somehow conveniently betrayed you. You have been had. The only religious twist about this story is the fact that both Christianity and Islam can be found in the same front pocket. Their history is the story of one and the same.

 

Funny, I didn't mention a thing about 'Liberals".

 

And 'MAD' has stopped the use of nukes, however, the use of biological and chemical methods of war have been violated several times in the last century and as recently as a this year in the Middle East. If anyone is to use nukes you'll have to look there for groups like Pakistan, Iran and ISIL to raise those stakes.

 

Yep, those Christians are lining up to be crucified, beheaded, raped and sold into slavery. BTW a very poor attempt at deflection. Please supply the factual information regarding murderous Christianity in the last 100 years other than the Democratic Party KKK.

 

Actually, the need for humans to hoard for profit or power is one of the great reasons of war. I'm not sure if the OP is saying that war is necessary anymore than computers would be necessary. But it may stem from wants more than needs, and humanity has featured nothing if not people taking more for themselves at the detriment of others.

You don't have to be violent. Many things are made easily available for you in the country you live in. That level of wealth and convenience has been secured by various wars and very violent activities that assured wealth and economic domination of the world created the environment of relative ease in which you live. However, if you were poor...taking from those who have seems justified.

Marx did not preach about a Utopia any more than Capitalism did. Capitalism has not stemmed death and bloodshed any more than Marxism, and the reason Marxism failed was because Capitalist countries were there to sabotage any attempt they made anywhere in the world to be successful. Read about Operation Gladio, which is pretty illuminating on some of that nuance.

No. They will never be allowed to have nukes because the US does not want people capable of forcing claims against it, nor does any other power. These nations are being bent and bullied by foreign nations for decades. That's generally why they are so unstable. When they don't do what we want, we go in and smash everything to bits much like the stereotypical mafia, and then we point to it and say, innocently, "this is an example of people who don't do things like we do it".

Recall each time the world has actually faced a nuclear threat. Was it from Muslim's or Middle Eastern states or extremists? No, not in that area. It was from Capitalist and communist extremists determined to do anything that would allow them to gain a one-up on the other. During the Cold War, the US made so many nuclear threats it wasn't even funny...specifically because they had them. A lot of them. And rational acting was not what saved the world from the US using them a few times. At least, not rational acting on the part of Americans.

While mutually assured destruction might be what has prevented a disaster so far, I'm not sure how long it will hold out against mutually assured greed.

 

Tell me, how many of those wars were you against?

 

I said in our history. Lol! Nice deflection!

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You said all that needs saying right there. Excellent!

 

That is not exactly true

1. WW1: We were neutral between 1914, when WW1 began to June 1917, about 2 1/2 years of the war. We entered becasue of 128 Amercians killed on the Brithish liner, The Lusitania. This was not something that President Wilson wanted, but had to respond to the sinking of a passenger ship that had no apparent military value.

2. WW2. Again, the war began 9/1/1939. Some say it began earlier than that with Japan entering Manchauria in 1934. The U.S.. responsed with diplomatic effoert including the oil embargo six months prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor. We were first attacked in the summer of 1940 when the USS Reben James, a four stack destroyer, was attacked by a German sub. But we entered when Pearl Harbor was attacked and we had to respond by going to War with Germany first.

3. Korea. We entered Korea becasue the North invaded the South.. The has been the only UN Sanctioned war in UN hisotry.

4. Vietnam. We actually became involved in Vietnam long before 1964. Try 1956 whe n Eisenower was President. This was becasue we made an agreemeth with France after the battle of Tien Bien Phu.

 

Read enough posts from the OP and you'll figure out for yourself that the he is a lover of war. Not just that it is necessary.

 

Then you are at an impasse when you have to explain the genocide perpetrated by Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro, Pot Pol, and Kim Il-sung. All in the name of Marxist-Socialist Communism.

 

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Of course it's bull crap revisionist Socialism. We don't even know what real Socialism is even more because we've shifted so far to the right.

 

The only revisionist history I am seeing is your posts on this subject.

Look, war is hell, a continuation of political intercourse. The examples you gave do nto reflect the realities of why we founght, on what terms we fought, and the ultimate conclusing of that fight. If you truly want to understand war, you must understand first why we fight and what brought us to that fight. Only then can you truly analyze the situation

 

Well, I wasn't even born or my family wasn't in America until the turn of the 20th Century. People in my family fought against the Japanese and Germens during WWII. I enlisted before Vietnam, and was there at the beginning. I've been there in the mix with other Americans that have fought for their country. You on the other hand, I claim the jury is out on that decision. Do I approve of or like war? The answer is no but that doesn't mean I won't fight to protect my family or my country.