Ukraine. Breakin news. Ceasefire from 18:00 on Friday 5 September

In Minsk, the representatives of Ukraine and the self-proclaimed DNR and LNR signed a protocol on ceasefire from 18:00 (GMT+3) on Friday 5 September

Original article: http://russian.rt.com/#ixzz3CReIoMSo

Good news, is not it?

 

Junta, yeah?

 

you know better ...

Russian Financial market reaction.

RUB/USD
16:15 MSK = 36.94
16:30 MSK = 36.65

Intraday http://stock.quote.rbc.ru/demo/selt...html?ticker=USD000000TOD&0.049590755761995176

MICEX Index
16:00 MSK = 1460
16:40 MSK = 1480

Intraday http://stock.quote.rbc.ru/online/ru....shtml?ticker=MICEXINDEXCF&0.8631104354707195

Speculators believe it is very good news.

 

the word `kiev junta` usually comes from you guys.

 

Good news indeed.
Let's hope it will turn into real peace and the conflict would be resolved.
And I hope nobody is going to do anything stupid. Like thinking it's a high time for a provocation.

 

It's not about me. But go ahead. Start from definition. "Junta" - a military or political group that rules a country after taking power by force.

February 2014 - Ukrainian winners government is junta by definition.

May 2014 - After the elections Ukraine has a legitimate president. But the president has no real chances to change the governors, who came to power by force. Therefore the remaining governors is part of junta.
So it will be up to Rada election and appointment of new governors. Or, in case of changing the Ukrainian constitution, up to the election of governors.

To make you easier to understand, DNR and LNR leaders are also classified as junta, as they are trying to take power by force and talk about separation of regions from Ukraine to independed country status.

 

Oh I don't know if it's good news, the Nuvorussiya troops (they're a regular army now), were ready to take over Mariupol and march to Odessa. Maybe then they could have marched to Kiev and freed the whole country from the criminals, and believe me that's what they are. They not only tried to kill off and ethnically cleanse the Russians in Nuvorussiya so the corporations can proceed with fracking and GMO's and fill up Yatsenuk, Kolomoisky, Tymochenko, etc. pockets, but were even killing the anti Russian soldiers from the Western part of Ukraine in the process and without the least bit of concern.

According to Saker in the Vineyard who is quite knowledgeable, anywhere from thirty thousand to forty thousand Uke soldiers have died...and that's an enormous amount that can only be attributed to gross negligence or genocide.

 

Well the sanctions are still coming so we shall see. No one believes a word Putin says.

 

So you believe that the Ukranians prefer to be invaded and taken over by the Russians when they made it perfectly clear that is absolutely not what they want. Seriously just because you want something neither makes it right or wanted. You must be so pleased at Russia killing you think forty thousand Ukranians.

Nato has a new Rapid Reaction force. Sanctions are being upgraded. Putin tries anything else .....and......

 

So, mr. Pootin is junta?
Because he took power by force and illegally.

 

Please list Russia's lies. I can save you time. There have been none.
Unfortunately the Nazis in Kiev will continue their genocide of the Donbass people because they are taking their orders from the western bank cartels who just sent them another 40 million in the last couple days to keep it going.
Poroshenko hasn't told the truth once for the last 5 months. Why would anyone take him seriously now?
"Ukraine said Friday that its artillery destroyed part of a convoy of Russian military vehicles that crossed into Ukraine at around the same time as a Russian relief aid convoy was reaching the border area.

The Russian defense ministry flatly denied the report and the Russian Foreign Ministry said it has information that Ukraine was planning to attack the now stalled 262-truck Russian humanitarian convoy.

Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko confirmed the attack on the Russian armored personnel carriers in a telephone call, saying that a "significant" part of the military column had been destroyed, according to the Ukrainian leader's website. "Much of this equipment was destroyed by the Ukrainian artillery at night," the statement says.

Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for Ukraine's National Security Defense Council, also reported that parts of the armored were "destroyed."


Comment: We guess that explains why there most likely will be no credible evidence brought forward: it was 'destroyed'!


"Appropriate actions were undertaken and a part of it no longer exist," Lysenko told reporters. He said the military convoy had been closely observed since crossing the border from Russia.


Comment: So where's the rest of it? Evidence, please.


Ukrainian Defense Ministry spokesman Leonid Matyukhin told Bloomberg News that the vehicles had been painted white to camouflage the operation as a peacekeeping mission.

A reporter for The Guardian said he saw a column of 23 armored personnel carriers, supported by fuel trucks and other logistics vehicles with official Russian military plates, crossing into Ukraine "through a gap in a barbed wire fence that demarcates the border."


Comment: Did he take any photos?


NATO leader Anders Fogh Rasmussen said earlier Friday that "a Russian incursion" over the Ukrainian border had been observed during the night. "It is a clear demonstration of continued Russian involvement in the destabilization of eastern Ukraine," Rasmussen said at a news conference in Denmark.


Comment: What about the U.S.'s admitted, documented, and continued destabilization of the region?


The British foreign office summoned Russian Ambassador Alexander Yakovenko "to clarify reports of Russian military incursion," the BBC reported.

The Russian defense ministry said such reports were false. "No Russian military column that allegedly crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border at night or during the day ever existed," said Major General Igor Konashenkov, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, RT.com reports.

Russia's Security Service, which oversees border guards, said its military mobile teams operate "strictly within the territory of the Russian Federation," a spokesperson for the FSB in the Rostov region told RT.com.

Russia's foreign ministry, meanwhile, said only that Ukrainian forces are engaging in "intense fighting" in Eastern Ukraine to stop humanitarian aid to the region and charged that the Ukrainians were planning to mine the roads ahead of the Russian humanitarian convoy, according to RT.com.

Ukraine had insisted that the Russian relief goods -- food, generators and medical supplies -- be inspected and reloaded before being allowed to proceed to hard-hit areas of eastern Ukraine, particularly the besieged city of Luhansk.

For several days, as the trucks wound their way from Moscow, Ukrainian officials expressed concern that the trucks might contain military equipment as a cover for a military invasion.

The BBC reports that many the trucks in the aid convoy were almost empty. It quoted one driver as saying those trucks were to be used to pick up the cargo from any trucks that might break down on the journey.

Ukrainian officials initially said the inspection was underway, but said later that it had been delayed until customs officials received relevant paperwork from the International Committee of the Red Cross, which will distribute the goods, according to Interfax Ukraine.

The U.S. State Department also weighed in, saying that the U.S. had warned Russia that it "has no right to send vehicles or persons or cargo of any kind into Ukraine without the government's explicit permission," according to U.S. State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf.


Comment: You tell 'em, Harf! No one's allowed to help out an oppressed people without their oppressive, illegitimate government's explicit permission!


Under the deal finalized Friday morning, 41 Ukrainian border guards and 18 customs officials were tasked with inspecting the trucks, Ukrinform reports. Only one driver per truck, not a full crew, was being permitted to take the goods into Ukraine.

In line with Red Cross policy, there will be no military escort. The Red Cross will also exclusively carry out the final distribution of the goods.

The Russian white-tarped trucks had been parked since Thursday near Kamensk-Shakhtinsky, about 17 miles from the border. Much of the border in this part of eastern Ukraine has been under the control of the pro-Russia separatists

Russia sent the convoy south to the rebel-held crossing after deciding not to abide by an earlier tentative agreement to deliver the aid through a government-controlled border crossing in the Kharkiv region.

Laurent Corbaz, the International Committee of the Red Cross' director of operations in Europe, said the plan foresees the aid being delivered to a central point in rebel-held territory, then distributed through the region. It was unclear how long the operation might last, but "it's not going to be solved in one week," he said.

The humanitarian crisis emerged during four months of fighting in eastern Ukraine between Ukrainian troops and rebels, who had declared the region independent. Government forces in the past two weeks have surrounded the key rebel strongholds of Donetsk and Luhansk, which has been without water or electricity for three weeks.

The United Nation's nearly doubled its estimate for the number of people killed in eastern Ukraine to 2,086 as of Aug. 10 from 1,129 on July 26.

Comment: It's looking like Kiev will do just about anything to prevent people from seeing Russia for what it truly is in this 'conflict': the only one who really cares, who really wants peace, and who is actually doing anything to help and support the suffering civilians caught in the crossfire."

 

Here it was the opposite. For the week, the market "dipped" in anticipation of sanctions. Then "grew up" on good news.

Note in the original agreements have no signatures of the Russian side and the OSCE representatives. Zaharchenko (leader DNR) announced a ceasefire. Poroshenko also gave the order to ceasefire.

Why do you remember now about Putin? Putin has not made ​​any statements about this. Which words of Putin you mean today?

 

there already was one ceasefire which killer many of our soldiers.
I don't believe the second one will be more peaceful.

The only thing I'm afraid that mr. poroshenko is really scared (or bought by putin)

 

I don't understand what you are saying. It is Russia's forces which are taking over Ukraine and has been each time that the Ukrainian army has been about to finish the job. This is nothing about the people of the East and never has been. The situation was deliberately created from the beginning by Russia and Dugin who emphasised that it was essential to make sure that the people of the East did not find a common voice with the West as 90% of them would have. As far as the EU and NATO is concerned they believe nothing of this cease fire as they know that Russia always talks of peace when she knows she is about to face consequences as she is now with the upgrading of sanctions.

This has been a Russian orchestrated invasion of Ukraine ever unfolding with now Russian tanks and soldiers seen everywhere. It may not be possible to stop Russia taking Ukraine what with her not being in Nato and no one wanting to start WW3 over her but Russia has lost the goodwill of people from the rest of the continent - people who believe Russia will then come for them and they have been reassured then NATO will respond.

I am not saying NATO definitely will not move for Ukraine but it looks like she is going to be left to be plundered by Russia. However the consequences will be severe for Russia in lost trade and good will.

 

Even if I wanted to believe there are 'good guys' in the story, I have problems doing this (too much lies circling around through all possible means). But I feel for average people who have to live in a war zone every day. So I think this cease fire is good news for him.
Well, let's see how all this turns out. Hope they all will work out a solution.

Do you remeber who broke the cease fire last fire? I recall, it was Ukrainian army, but I won't tell for sure. Correct me, if I'm wrong.
As for Poroshenko... You know, I haven't liked him from the very beginning. He looks exactly like another puppet presindent. IMHO.

 

To your regret, definitely not.

In 2012 Putin won presidential election with 63% result. This level of support correlate with researches of all independent agencies (Levada Center, VCIOM, FOM, Public Opinion Fund). Therefore, all parties irrevocably accepted Putin's victory in the elections.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_presidential_election,_2012

 

I said just what I said. Russian troops don't fight in the Ukraine.

NATO's latest evidence of Russian armor invading. Ukraine has been leaked! Seems to be the most convincing ever!



Has the Russian Embassy started trolling Nato on Twitter?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...started-trolling-nato-on-twitter-9712251.html

 

http://www.thewestwire.com/obama-is...tanks-have-crossed-the-russia-ukraine-border/
The OSCE who also has NATO reps monitoring the border states "NO RUSSIAN TROOPS IN UKRAINE"
The orchestration of this was done by the west as exposed in Nulands leaked "F*** the EU" phone call this spring.
http://rt.com/news/nuland-phone-chat-ukraine-927/
Washington doesn't deny the authenticity of the phone call.

Then Washington didn't learn their lesson and there was another leaked phone call thast exposed that Washington had hired the snipers in Kiev to cause chaos.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked...ed-by-us-supported-opposition-leaders/5371956

If that wasn't enough then Tymoshenko got caught on the phone discussion the complete genocide of all Russia citizens in Ukraine and that she would have Putin shot in the head and not leave one hill in Russia not smoldering.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...illion-russians-ukraine-must-be-killed-nuclea

There is no doubt who has caused the problems in the Ukraine and these people seem to be so stupid that they cant figure out that their phones are not secure.

 

They may still not be going as official Russia troops but they are there, they are the reason the fighting has continued and their wives and mothers are getting a bit fed up with them dying in this way. You know this true.

 

Perhaps this can shed some light on who the bad guys are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion Swastika as battalion emblem.

The Ukrainian military runs from the militia and pops up to shell hospitals, schools and orphanages then runs away.
They are not fighting the militia they are killing the woman,children and elderly then running away.
http://www.countercurrents.org/cc040614.htm

 

Please present your proof since the OSCE who are monitoring the border says no Russian troops crossing Ukraine/Russian border.

 

Alexa, can you answer only on simple questions: What a part of Russian army in the Ukraine? How many soldiers of the Russian army is in the Ukraine? What is the source of this information?

Actually in Ukraine today is fighting about 3,000 military volunteers from Russia on the rebel side. This is about 10% of the Novorossia army. And about 200 military volunteers from Russia in Nazi guards on other side. This is my data. I do not think that your data will be very different.

Total in Russian army about 1 million troops, about 150,000 of them have real combat experience. This "invasion" is not even a kick in the ass, it's a only blow to the nose. Not so much painful as it is insulting.

And what purpose, in your opinion, has "occupier" Putin performing such "invasion"?

 

How about a little bit of reality here as to what's going on:

According to Robert Parry of Consortium News, the investigative reporter who helped break the Iran Contra Scandal, one of the reasons Washington did not allow the people of Nuvorussiya to federalize, and is even willing to risk nuclear war with Russia is so it can frack the shale gas in Ukraine and free Europe from its dependency on Russia. The largest private gas firm in Ukraine and who has a major interest in the Slaviansk area and the fracking of gas is Burisma Holdings, the company that Vice Pres. Biden's son now works for. It is also the city which has been bombed most heavily since the people rejected the fracking, and also the area where the plane fell down.

In my post: http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/372950-russia-ukraine-wmd-iraq-2.html, I said I believe Burisma Holdings is owned by Kolomoisky who has been charged with war crimes by Putin. I also believe he was behind the shoot down of the Malaysian plane and I gave my reasons for it. I also said that he was throwing around massive amounts of money in Washington in order to keep the accusations on Vladimir Putin for the shoot down of the airliner, since he has a personal vendetta against him, as well as for his own self interests. Mind you now in all of this, the lives of the thousands who have been sent to die are inconsequential to the profits and the power of the criminals in charge. .

The following tends to confirm much of what I wrote:

"...According to investigative journalism in Ukraine, the ownership of Burisma has been traced to Privat Bank, which is controlled by the thuggish billionaire oligarch Ihor Kolomoysky, who was appointed by the coup regime to be governor of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, a south-central province of Ukraine. Kolomoysky also has been associated with the financing of brutal paramilitary forces killing ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine..."

"...Who Is Behind Burisma?

Soon, Burisma – a shadowy Cyprus-based company – was lining up well-connected lobbyists, some with ties to Secretary of State John Kerry, including Kerry’s former Senate chief of staff David Leiter, according to lobbying disclosures...."

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/03/the-whys-behind-the-ukraine-crisis/

 

And I hope that Poroshenko really start doing something about what he says. Today, he gave a very controversial plan with 14 point. And again, according to his plan, the Donbas rebels must to down their arms and flee to Russia. Is he an idiot?

 

Shale gas exists not only in Ukraine, but in whole Europe. But Europe is now prohibited by its mining - ecological reasons. So Washington wants to make Europe happy by force. It's like rape.