Ukraine. Breakin news. Ceasefire from 18:00 on Friday 5 September

He can't be that stupid, so he must be saying it for propaganda reasons. In other words he wants everyone to believe that it wasn't the Russian speaking people in Novorussiya who they were fighting, it was Russians fighters from Russia. Lies, lies and more lies. But it does stupefy the ignorant.

Anyway here's the latest from Greekdefense.net. Right after the ceasefire was signed and was to go into effect in a few hours, the port city of Mariupol fell to the Nuvorussiya forces. It seems there was a major air attack on them by Kiev to hold on to the city when it took effect, but the Nuvorussiya forces invaded in three areas and Kolomoisky's mercenary Azov army which has committed some of the worse atrocities on the Russians, are now backed against the sea. I certainly hope so! They should all drown. No sympathy here.

Unless I'm reading it wrong, the capture of the city has given them a land access to Crimea.

 

You are expecting such to happen at the regular crossings? Besides what I noticed they said was not so much armour in the last two weeks but plenty of people in Uniforms going both ways.

Here is what the Mum's and wives of the Russian dead think.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russ...to-come-clean-about-where-soldiers-are-2014-8

Of course we all know that the Russia leaders in Ukraine are so magical they just make tanks and other heavy weapons materialise out of nothing.

I have not been following this so much in recent weeks. However around ten days or so ago I noticed at another forum a poster thinking that Ukraine was soon going to have liberated her country. A Russia there told her it was not going to be so and so we found the rebels once again get massive more help and have, as he said they would, turned things around in Russia's favour.

I am not going to start research on this again but there is absolutely no way that the foreigners and few Ukrainian fighters could have done anything had it not been for Russia and her friends. Here though are some early bodies http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/ukraine-donetsk-airport-russia-fighter

You must remember the video the Russia leader in Donetsk put out early on when he said he would not manage if there was not help from Russia and also said how they could not get volunteers from Ukraine - just lets you know how keen they all were to fight. I heard Russians making excuses for why Russia had not come in at that time that it was because there was not the desire for it from the East - now that was true. Oh of course and then we have all the leaders being Russian.

Russia orchestrated this from the beginning helped with a few neo nazis in the east who it had been working on for some years. She wanted Crimea and then she wanted land in the east so that she could move by land to Ukraine and she probably wants all of Ukraine as a buffer - scardy cow hiding behind others.

Russia is responsible for, if Jeanette is correct the deaths of 40,000 Ukrainian people....and all be it cold at the moment Russia has started WW3.

 

The Russian seperatists will not honor the cease-fire.

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OSCE never said this

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name some of his lies.

I'll save you the trouble: there are none.

 

stop being dishonest, you KNOW that is not a Swastika

 

Even your own article states that when drills were done these guys left on their own time. Of course there are many volunteering Ukraine and going to join the Peoples Militia. Lots of Chech, French and Russia volunteers have gone. They need trained soldiers and welcome their time there.
If Russia were invading Ukraine it wouldn't be done with 350 missing foot soldiers.
"Some 350 soldiers from the city were this month sent on military drills to the border with Ukraine and then went incommunicado, said one of the women, 26-year-old Valeria Sokolova."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/russ...about-where-soldiers-are-2014-8#ixzz3CSWVfkfd

 

Settle down and click on the links I provided you now 4 times. You defending them against something they proudly wear on their arm bands and battalion flag is only making you continue to look foolish.

 

do you know what a Swastika looks like?

apparently not.

 

There is no way Poroshenko would be working for Putin, since Putin does not want blood on his hands, and told Poroshenko to stop sending those boys to their death. The ones who are after him are the Nazis, since they gained nothing and lost almost all their men...which serves them right of course after the atrocities they committed on the Russian people.

In WWII when Mussolini sent out the boys of Italy to invade Greece and they failed miserably and ended up dying in the freezing rivers and mountains of Epirus and Albania, and then later were killed by the Germans, he was strung up by his heels together with his mistress. How about the same thing for Poroshenko, Yats and Kolomoisky, that is if they're not hiding in Switzerland, because they certainly deserve it or have you people become so brainwashed that you can't see the obvious even when it's in front of your eyes.

There is a Russian saying that he who comes against Russia with a sword, will die by the sword...so should you have expected less?

 

Seriously who do you think you are fooling? No one except perhaps yourself. The Russian wives and Mothers want it recognised that they are fighting for Russia and want their dead honoured. That is a fair enough thing to ask for.

 

So you think Russia decided to send 350 foot soldiers with no tanks or artillery or air support in to invade Ukraine?

 

they have artillery support.

they have tanks.

they have lots of weapons.

 

Obama claims ceasefire in Ukraine reached only because of sanctions against Russia http://on.rt.com/m02yjb

Obama: The Great And Powerful

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
Give it up. You lost on this issue 2 days ago.

 

Sure they do. Iraq had WMDs too. You cant start WWIII on assumptions and lies. Some of us are smarter than that. Old saying "Screw me once shame on you. Screw me twice shame on me" You have to know that if Russia had forces inside Ukraine that with Washingtons ability to use satelites for even face recognition that they would be plastered all over the MSM presstitutes front pages.

 

oh, so the Russian Seperatists are armed with rubber bands and tooth picks?

lol!!!!!!!!!!! Russia Today is hilarious!!!!

 

There surely are some Russian volunteers fighting on the rebel side. There's also some Serbs and Spanish and who knows who else. Likewise, there are foreigners fighting on the Ukie side.

To get to the point of why the rebel offensive now and how could they do it without the Russians, consider this.

Earlier on, there was open talk of the rebel force being just a ragtag bunch of mostly older guys. Where were the young men? Well, it seems to be that the young men have been training in Russia and are now being employed en masse into the fray. The OSCE confirms that there are many young men (and women) crossing the border unarmed, dressed in military fatigues. They pick up weapons on the other side and the rebels have a firing range within earshot of the monitors. This info about the crossing is directly from the OSCEmonitors.

It is said that many more are ready to cross over and join the fight. The ceasefire may prevent that, but these people are waiting in the wings. Novorossia has a real army!

 

I obviously never said that. If you are going to suggest I have said things which I have not I will report you.

 

I have no idea what they are armed with. Im not there. What I do know is that bombs aren't falling in Kiev. Do you think the Militia is bombing their own towns?
Believe whatever illusion doesn't disrupt your fantasy world. Makes no difference to me if you want to keep discrediting yourself. The more you allow yourself to be debunked the less credibility you have on this forum though. Something to think about.

 

Stop your whining and answer the question. You are the one who made ridiculous claims and then want to back out with "I will report you" Report away junior.

 

From the OSCE:

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http://www.osce.org/om/123151

Throughout the week, the OTs noticed a net increase of young people (both men and women) wearing military-style dress crossing the border in both directions but did not observe any weapons among these groups. OTs had regular interactions with supporters of the self-proclaimed republics. Some discussed openly with the OSCE while others expressed their total mistrust toward the OSCE. At both Border Crossing Points, some supporters of the self-proclaimed republics explained that they are not allowed to cross the border with weapons. However, on the other side, there are organized places where they receive weapons, ammunition and equipment and are dispatched to their assigned areas on the Ukrainian side. Upon return, they hand over weapons, ammunition and other military equipment and cross back into the Russian Federation. In the case of Gukovo, there is even a firing range to calibre the newly-received weapons before continuing to the frontlines. As described in previous reports, on a daily basis OTs hear such range-like shootings on Ukrainian territory at a short distance from the Gukovo Border Crossing Point.

 

September 4th 23:53 UTC/ZULU Ukraine SITREP: Maybe, just maybe?



Many major developments to report today. First, though I was trying very hard to contain my excitement over the past days, the level of success the Novorussian Armed Forces (NAF) against the Junta Repression Forces (JRF) appears to be absolutely amazing and, should Mariupol fall, which appears to be likely, I would speak of a strategic victory, something which I am normally extremely reluctant to do, especially when speaking to a force which only recently was a volunteer militia force. How could that possibly have happened?

Military situation:

I think that there is a second expression which now can be used without exaggeration: all the signs are that the JRF have reached their breaking point: this is the moment when a military force suddenly and completely collapses, like a damn which blows out under the pressure of water. The JRF is not retreating on one, two or even three directions, it is retreating everywhere (except north of Lugansk). Entire battalions are leaving the front under orders of their battalion commanders and without the approval of the Junta leaders. At least one such battalion commander is already being judged for desertion. The entire Ukie leadership seems to be in a panic mode, especially Iatseniuk and Kolomoiski, while the Nazis are mad as hell at the Poroshenko administration. There are constant rumors of an anti-Poroshenko coup by outraged Nazi nationalists. And then, there are the absolutely staggering Ukrainian losses.

Now I am not endorsing this list since I don't even know who made it up or on what basis.

But I will say that it is consistent with. Check out this list and this one (thanks to GM for the link!!). Finally, this list is also consistent with all the footage shown on the various video hosting sites such as YouTube. I will even add that this list is clearly incomplete since it was made before the biggest Ukie losses occurred. But let's not look at the exact numbers, let's look at the suggested magnitude. This tells us that:
•40'000+ Ukrainian soldiers have died.
•600+ armored vehicles have been lost.
•200+ artillery pieces have been lost (probably many more in reality).
•Most of the Ukie aviation in flying condition has been lost.
If, as it appears likely, the real number of dead JRF soldiers is anywhere near the 30'000+40'000+ figure, then this is something absolutely unique in modern warfare. There might be an exception to this I have missed, but as far I can know in every single conflict since WWII (and including WWII), civilians have died in far greater numbers than combatants. This is also absolutely true of NAF soldiers who have died in far smaller numbers than Novorussian civilians. So unless these figures are completely off the mark, and I see no reason to believe this, the Junta forces were absolutely massacred in an horrible butchery which cannot completely be explained by the superb fighting skills of the Novorussians: clearly the Junta has used these forces as cannon fodder with not even a modicum of care, nevermind support, for them. Yes, the Novorussians had God, morale, common sense, the Truth, the GRU, history, decency, international law, covert support from Russia and whatever else on their side but that does not explain the mind-boggling casualty figures of the Ukie side.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/

 

Russia didn't kill those men, the leaders in Kiev and the Americans who were encouraging them to fight killed them. They were left without water and food by Kiev and when they were surrounded they were told not to surrender so they could die. One poster said that Ukraine wants now to establish a force to kill any Ukrainian soldier who escapes before he can go back and tell people what is really going on.

Now let me explain what happened. When the great 'Strelkov of Ukrainia' resigned and everyone thought the rebel militia was losing the war, it was really because they were planning a massive offensive and wanted to establish a national army with its own headquarters. The Russian army has a history of appearing to be defeated before a massive offensive.

In the meantime they had kept a line open going down to Mariupol which no one paid attention to, so when they suddenly appeared massed outside of Mariupol it shocked Kiev and they started imagining that the troops had crossed over from Russia. There was no proof of this, so it's just more lies from Poroshenko because in his mind it's propaganda that wins wars, not armies.

Anyway this doesn't mean that they aren't getting logistical support and other covert help from Russia. I'm sure they are, after all they are all Russians.

 

Ceasefire is OK, but the Maidan junta is still in Kiev. The struggle will not stop here. How about rating of Porko among people in Ukraine?

 

I want to repeat here, that according to Greekdefense.net, Mariupol was taken by the Nuvorussiya militia right after the cease fire was signed, but before it was to take affect and that it's giving them also a land corridor to Crimea.