Propaganda targeting Western audience

Can you provide some valid examples to back up your opinion?

 

Id rather watch it burn then sit back and watch Russia act like the big bad boy on the block and rebuild their empire by force. If the US invaded Canada right now would you say the same thing about Canadians if they kill some civilians trying to fight back an invasion? Putin is literally hitler reincarnated.

 

But I have.



Kiev was a charming city for its old Soviet-era architecture, though it was also clearly run-down and traffic was a nightmare, even with so many people walking or taking little buses.

Apparently it's not always possible to avoid hole-in-the-ground public toilets (literally) even in Kiev, however. I made sure to steer clear of them, but I got to hear about it from my traveling companions.

This old statue was a grand sight, though, as was this bridge:



Ukraine, like much of Eastern Europe, seems to struggle with moving forward. Being rubblised by NATO likely won't help much with that, though.

 

Erm, you seem to be confused about what's happening there right now. It's not a case of civilians fighting foreign invaders. It's a case of civilians taking up arms against an illegal government in their own country, and gaining some support from across the border. It's like if Canada's national government were overthrown, people in Ontario decided that they'd rather become independent or join the USA than remain with Canada and its new illegal government, were attacked brutally by Canada's military as a consequence, and gained a measure of support from the American people, possibly including a measure of support from the US government as well.

 

I doubt it given your images are downloaded from the tinypic.com image sharing website

I really have though the difference being that I'm in the pictures to prove it if you check my profile picture for comparison
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Moscow and St Petersburg traffic was far worse in my experience. Kiev was far from the run down charicature you are trying to paint it as

I've yet to find one there in multiple visits to various cities so I know this is rubbish. I can't speak for rural areas though

Its not an old statue. Do you know its name ?

So where are these NATO tanks doing this to Ukraine ?

 

If you had ever been to Ukraine you would know that the last thing they would want is to be Russian again whatever hue the government was in Kiev.

 

I'm not allowed to use Tinypic? I like it. It even does automatic resizing

And no, Kiev really is a miserable looking city, at least residentially. Lots of huge, dilapidated apartment buildings. I could post more pics of those, but, meh. Батьківщина-Мати is more interesting:


^ My Russian professor is at the very bottom of that one.


^ They had an awesome WWII museum there as well. Those two fellows are a couple of my travelling companions, and no, I'm not telling you their names. There were four of us guys, and the professor divided us into two groups according to gender and had us stay at different places in Kiev accordingly. Same thing when we got to Odessa, incidentally.

Oh, and in case you wanted to read about that cannon:

 

After the blood? Never!

 

Absolutely true!

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Moscow and St Petersburg have far more monolithic run down apartment blocks. Did you meet any of these bereft Ukrainians pineing to be Russian then because I found the opposite to be true ?

Indeed they did and the aviation museum was excellent too. Click to enlarge

 

It appears that propaganda on both sides is once again the winner of this debate. Divide and rule rears it's ugly head once again.
When in history has any country been allowed to make their own democratic decisions without the interference and manipulation of greater powers ? Never.
Both sides are wrong in Ukraine for which the public (as usual) are paying the price.
Ukraine is a neighbour of Russia and considered important strategically for Russian security. How would the US feel if Russia supported unrest in Mexico ? Would the US feel under threat ? Of course it would.
That is not to say that Russia's incursion on Ukraine soil is justified. It is not.
The government in Ukraine was imposed by a coup on the Ukrainian public and only survives with backing from the West. This was also wrong as is the killing of innocent civilians by both sides.
History has shown time and again that people of all denominations can live happily side by side if left alone. It is the greedy power mad psychopathic leaders who pitch one against the other to serve their own interests and who are the cause for the majority of strive and wars, with bigots lining up to whip up the masses. And the dumb public swallow this propaganda and the lies like mana.
One point in case - the formation of Israel.
Britain sanctioned the formation of the Zionist state Israel on Palestinian soil during it's deplorable reign as an empire. It has developed into a pariah state and now treats Palestinians in the same manner they themselves were treated during the holocaust. They are increasingly becoming the problem of the Middle East and not the solution, which in time will have to be dealt with. Still they are supported by 'so called' Christians in the US and UK who appear to be hell bent on creating and fullfilling the biblical Armageddon worldwide.
(Since politics deal with reality and religion with fiction, I cannot understand why religion has been allowed to influence politics and laws. Insane.)
Strangely enough, before the formation of Israel the Jews and Palestinians managed to live peacefully side by side for centuries.
So much for the influence of our politicians.
Nothing is solved by armed conflict and the people are used as gun fodder for the political and monetary gains of a few.
The problem is that ignorance and stupidity thrives among the population of this world and gullibility rules.

 

Did you meet any of these bereft Ukrainians pineing to be Russian then because I found the opposite to be true ?

No. I was only in the country for 8 days total, about half of that in each city, and my Russian was at absolutely beginner level. Plus, we were always rushing around to see the sights and all that, so overall I never had much of a chance to chit-chat. I did get to visit with a group from Finland at a bar one night in Kiev, though. There was a beautiful brunette who happened to know German, a language I was already quite good with by then (in fact, German was my major and I graduated with that the same year as this trip). Good times, good times..

 

Propaganda is definitely targeting the western audience. However it is not Russian propaganda, it's US/NATO propaganda which is literally bullying decent journalists and people into submission. Absolutely shameless attacks on freedom of expression.

Impressive line up. Great to see educated, intelligent and informed people discussing the issue in an objective and unbiased way.

Ukraine's civil war has grounded in stalemate and the economy is crashing. This has created an opening for dialogue. Will all parties seize the moment or will Moscow continue to be blamed?

CrossTalking with Karel van Wolferen, Neil Clark and Gilbert Doctorow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfvoTACizDw

 

This crowd isn't afraid and go to meeting because in the city the Ukrainian army. It is civil war. If there was (will be soon) Novorossiya army, there would be a meeting too (probably even more) only with other flags.

ps: gift for you

 

I suspect this picture was taken out of Kiev the same as people have banners for each state at political conventiuons. Also I doubt the integrity of the picture at all since its origin is the US Army website.
cpol =" About Us

The Department of the Army's Office of the Assistant G-1 for Civilian Personnel (AG-1 CP) is headquartered in Fort Belvoir, Virginia. The AG-1 CP is responsible for managing Civilian personnel programs and implementing policies affecting Army Civilians."

This is what I found when I followed the URL.

 

[video=youtube;qS_gL9on8RA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_gL9on8RA&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

Sign the letter to President Putin!

 

Anyway - here video before entrance of the Ukrainian army in Mariupol (an anti-Maidan in Mariupol - Published on Mar 1, 2014
and
Meeting in Mariupol (03rd 2014)
[video=youtube_share;D5DkaLzBxN8]http://youtu.be/D5DkaLzBxN8[/video]
[video=youtube_share;sccjtreyaHU]http://youtu.be/sccjtreyaHU[/video]
in past no one want junta army come in

 

Posters in English - for Western stupid sheep were able to read what want provocateurs.

 

Ceasefire Over: Shelling Resumes In Mariupol And Donetsk
Tyler Durden's pictureSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/06/2014 17:35 -0400

Update: *APPARENT SHELLING REPORTED NEAR UKRAINIAN PORT OF MARIUPOL: AP



•PROLONGED ARTILLERY FIRE HEARD TO EAST OF MARIUPOL PORT IN EASTERN UKRAINE DESPITE CEASEFIRE - REUTERS

Perhaps unsurprisingly, numerous reports (from both sides) state that the long-awaited cease-fire in Ukraine is over. As RIA reports, the pro-Russian separatists noted Ukrainian special forces continued shelling towns and militia positions in the Donetsk region late Friday despite the ceasefire established hours before. Several reporters in the strategic 'land-bridge' city of Mariupol claims to have seen flashes from explosions and heard powerful detonations, where tanks are moving rapidly towards the eastern checkpoint. France24 also reports the Ukraine military is now accusing rebels of violating the cease-fire. AP further confirms sustained explosions outside the city of Mariupol with journalists reporting "people dying of bullet wounds."

As we noted previously, Bloomberg's Leonid Bershidsky explains how Ukraine's Cease-Fire Is Putin's Victory.

...As for Russian President Vladimir Putin, he has secured a ringside seat and may settle down with a bowl of popcorn. Any outcome suits him as long as Ukraine struggles to get out of its impasse alone. He will be happy to see the Lugansk and Donetsk regions turn into a frozen-conflict zone, precluding Ukraine's further integration into NATO and the European Union, and equally pleased to have them gain broad autonomy from Kiev and a veto on major political decisions. A military solution suits him, too, since the West has refused to engage him except in the form of ineffectual sanctions.
Make no mistake about it: The ceasefire is a victory for Putin, a vindication of his aggression and duplicity. I just hope it ends the bloodshed.

But late last night, RIA reports Ukrainian forces begin shelling again...


City authorities of Donetsk reported that shelling continues in the city despite ceasefire that came into force at 15:00 GMT Friday.



"As of 18:00 [local time, 15:00 GMT] situation in Donetsk remains far from being calm, sounds of explosions are heard. At the moment, artillery shelling is under way in the city’s Petrovsky district," the city council said in a statement.

Which continues this morning


Ukrainian special forces continued shelling towns and militia positions in the Donetsk region late Friday despite the ceasefire established hours before, the militia forces of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) said Saturday.



"The people's militia's subdivisions in Horlivka and Makiivka fell under mortar shelling in the Donetsk direction at 20 hours 15 minutes [17:15 GMT]," said in the DPR headquarters.



Some 1.5 hours later, the Ukrainian forces attacked the city of Yasynuvata, and at 10:30 p.m. (19:30 GMT), the positions of the militia forces' at the Donetsk airport, according to militia.



"Along the whole contact line with the enemy, [militia forces] adhered to the commander's order not to fire back," the DPR representatives said.

 

Son of a gun! This ceasefire was a joke. Who benefited from this, except may be Putin? Ukraine is raising against the Maidan puppets of EU and the process is unstoppable. To stop bloodshed, Porko should capitulate. the sooner, the better.

 

This is only my opinion but here goes. Mariupol is extremely strategic because it connects Donebas with Crimea by land and is geopolitically necessary to stop Kiev from cutting of electric water and arms to the southeast region. The problem is that the unimaginable happened and the Militia started kicking the junta Nazis butts. Poroshenko needed a brief time out sort of like when kids are fighting and ones says "Uncle" only to smack his sibling when let go. Kiev thought they could use the cease fire as an opportunity to take Mariupol but again they are finding forces that are superior in their integrity, will to protect their people and sheer determination.

 

In case anyone wonders how the western journalism operates these days. It is definitely a sorry state of affairs.

CIA emails expose access journalist at work
5 September 2014

.- See more at: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2...cess-journalist-at-work/#sthash.fOzY8I91.dpuf

Interesting too to see how his editors responded, when confronted with these basic violations of journalistic ethics:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...mes-reporter-cleared-stories-cia-publication/

 

CIA controls the American media.