our government is ripping us off...BAD...please read

lease listen to this and do not make a rash decision because you don't think I sound like you.

I was on another thread that gave the idea that we should change the welfare system and shut it down and replace it with every adult American receiving a check. I thought it seemed like a good idea, so I did the math.

If every one of the 217.8 million adults received a 18,000 check each month instead of welfare as it is now, we would save around 3 billion dollars. Only a very small portion is going to the poor. Where is the rest going?

A person who makes 40,000 a year right now pays 10,000 in taxes at the 25% bracket. If they receive their check for 18,000 they would have a tax of +8,000 each year. Not only would you not have to pay welfare. You would have an extra 8,000.

We are getting ripped off for real. We are not paying taxes for the poor. We are paying them for the super rich.That is why the middle class is getting smaller.

How we can change this when we put these people in power and let them manipulate us. The money they would pay in taxes would float back up to them anyway. They are just worse than greedy. If you think this is just one side or the other, you are nuts. They all have to go.

They are lying to us and keeping us busy being mad at each other so we don't look at them too close.

 

You confuse everyone when you say that every adult should receive "18,000 check each month". In another post several readers pointed out discrepancies in your reply and then you jump all over me and others for pointing this out.

Perhaps you should proof read before posting. This will give you more cred.

 

The fact that no one will give their opinion on this scares the heck out of me. It shows me that it is the truth and people don't want to admit it.

Whenever I skim the truth most people ignore it. It is easier to keep your head in the sand.

If they are stealing from us like this, what else are they responsible for.

I'm terrified. For real!!!!!! I knew there were bad things going on with our government but this is worse than I thought.

They cannot spend the amount of money they have amassed in their lifetime. Why swindle the poor and let people live in poverty and tax the working class?

 

I didn't mean to jump on you or anybody. I accidentally put it first on the wrong one. I didn't reply to anyone. I just couldn't figure out why no one wanted to discuss it. My intention is not to fight with others. I have no interest in that.

Sorry my cred isn't up to your standards. I will proof before posting next time. Where did someone point this out? I am confused? I am just trying to give people a heads up. Not argue!

 

I am not good with these threads and posts showing up where they are supposed to and I didn't mean to jump on anyone. I just thought I was being ignored. I really don't want to fight with anyone. If I type on one thread it can show up on another one?

 

if everyone got a 18k check, the cost of living would rise by 18k in no time at all

just like when two people worked in the past you could get ahead, now two people need to work just to survive

 

But at least the money would be going where they say it is going. It isn't my point, my point is that they lie and steal and let the poor destruct as far as they have. I just want people to see the truth. That we live in one giant lie.

Why not just give a check to the poor, cut out the red tape and really drop the amount people have to pay? Give them enough so that their standard of living will give them more of a chance to get ahead. They will also send it right back into the economy.There is no excuse that anyone has to suffer while the rich get richer. It is an indisputable fact that the welfare system is not working and if it can be severely cut and become more useful. Why not.

I just guarantee you that the billions of dollars that are missing were not used for anyone's benefit but their own. Exactly how much is? And the national debt? What is going on?

 

If this is what I think it is, and you are legitimately suggesting that the government should give a specified amount to every American citizen, I'd say the whole idea is absurd.

 

Believe me, no one has any ignored posts around here.

 

the system would crash if you took out the welfare from the economy.... that is the truth...

believing in the system is one of the things that makes it work.... now if you want to kill capitalism... what would you replace it with?

we need to control foreign outsourcing and foreign imports, that is the real issue facing our economy right now

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If you would like to be taken seriously perhaps you could include all your math that helped you arrive at your conclusions. That would be a start.

 

I am going to sleep I will come back and answer everyone tomorrow. I am doubting myself. I really have not slept. Check my posts for the last few days.

 

I just did the math. 217.8M x 18,000 = ~$3.9Trillion per month? Total GDP of the US in 2013 was $16.244Trillion. Total federal tax revenue in 2013 was only $2.8Trillion. How would a $2.8T tax base pay for $3.9T per month in "welfare" or whatever you would call it, and how would you pay for the rest of the government, such as defense, social security, homeland security, agriculture, etc.? You could collect every dollar in our GDP and still not have enough to give 218M people 18k per month.

 

So,,,,, anyone care to discuss the legalization of drugs? Nows a good time.

 

EDIT: I'm going to assume that you meant $18,000 a year, since you mentioned people who make $40,000 a year.

To the OP, I don't know of a single country in history where the people were enriched by some government scheme to distribute the wealth, or to give a base pay to every citizen. First off, the government doesn't produce any wealth and it doesn't have any of its own money. Every dime spent by the government is a dime of taxpayer money. Welfare schemes are no exception. Every dollar that the government gives to you is taken from someone else. If you say that the wealthy should be taxed to give a base pay to every American citizen, then every dollar that you receive is a dollar that's not being used to cut prices, produce wealth, or hire people. Since companies have less workers and less money at their disposal to produce wealth, the prices on everything would increase drastically. On top of that, due to the scarcity of resources, the value of money would drop sharply, since everyone has $18,000 at their disposal while the market doesn't have $18,000 worth of wealth for everyone. Ultimately, this sort of policy would be disastrous for everyone, especially the poor.

 

..is that lease... buy or rent....? I suspect math was/is not your strong suit. It is always suspect when one bashes those more successful than themselves. In normal circles .. they are called leeches.

 

i am going to assume you meant 18,000 a year not a month...because 18.000 a month is 216,000 a year...so a single person would pay 2258.00 in taxes and a married person would pay 4511.00 in taxes...you would double their income to 36,000 a year since both are adults...this assumes they have no other income because both are staying home doing nothing...so they are still both poor ..what good is this...and who is going to make the goods they wish to buy or grow the food they need to eat to survive?

 

Then you don't know much about Middle Eastern oil producing nations -- or Alaska, for that matter.

 

i think this is a good example of why not to do drugs...harms the few brain cells they have left

 

If you do the numbers this simply does not make sense.

 

Welfare programs are what has driven this country 17 TRILLION DOLLARS in debt. The worst part of it is the fact that welfare these days is designed to buy votes for democrats.

 

and in the end..they are still poor...welfare doesnt work....

 

That's one hell of a leap.
I can't speak for others, as you seem to do, but I can tell you my POV:
You don't give a coherent argument with facts or statistics to back up any of your claims, but make outrageous statements such as the one I quoted. I would have just ignored this thread for those reasons [and nothing else], but thought you might like to know why this time.

 

Bless your heart. Here are some things to consider. How many wars has this country fought without raising taxes to pay for them? In whose administration(s) did they occur? Can markets police themselves? If oversight and controls are removed from banks and other financial institutions, what is one negative result that might occur? Has it happened within the past 15 years?

 

What exactly am I missing?