Guns or No Guns

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by FreeThinker2000, Sep 6, 2014.

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Guns Or No Guns

  1. Concealed carry little restrictions

    25 vote(s)
    78.1%
  2. Allow guns more restrictions

    4 vote(s)
    12.5%
  3. No need for them

    3 vote(s)
    9.4%
  1. FreeThinker2000

    FreeThinker2000 New Member

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    Sure that at least one person has posted this before(i guess) but still interested.
     
  2. CRUE CAB

    CRUE CAB New Member

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    The Second Amendment is pretty plain English.
     
  3. ronmatt

    ronmatt New Member

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    In the 'old West' people carried their guns in holsters on their hips. According to almost all westerns ever produced (movies) almost every man, woman and child strapped on their six-gun before even brushing their teeth in the morning. Many were very fast at drawing out their weapon and firing at anyone that they thought was out to get them. Some wore 2 guns. They were constantly practicing their quick draw and shooting at the many old whiskey bottles found strewn about the western landscape. It was a time when men, women and children were safe. Strangers left them alone, not knowing whether or not they were faster on the draw or could decimate more whiskey bottles. (fact or fiction?) Fiction actually. Few in the old West carried sidearms and High Noon type gunfights were very rare at best.
     
  4. FreeThinker2000

    FreeThinker2000 New Member

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    Not trying to be a d*** but what does this have this have to do with anything here?
     
  5. junius. fils

    junius. fils New Member

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    In the 'old West' people carried their guns in holsters on their hips.

    And had to check them when they went to town.

    According to almost all westerns ever produced (movies) almost every man, woman and child strapped on their six-gun before even brushing their teeth in the morning.

    According to the movies, elephants fly.

    Many were very fast at drawing out their weapon and firing at anyone that they thought was out to get them.

    Many of them couldn't hit a bull in the butt with a banjo.

    Some wore 2 guns.

    And their pants fell down.

    They were constantly practicing their quick draw and shooting at the many old whiskey bottles found strewn about the western landscape.

    At Fort Bowie, AZ there are empty booze bottle shards all over the place - from the party the troops had when they learned the govt was closing the post. I've visited the place.

    It was a time when men, women and children were safe.

    Tell that to Custer.

    Strangers left them alone, not knowing whether or not they were faster on the draw or could decimate more whiskey bottles. (fact or fiction?)

    Fiction actually.

    You got that right!

    Few in the old West carried sidearms and High Noon type gunfights were very rare at best.

    I remember a story about one of Doc Holiday's gunfights. He & his opponent blazed away at each other, emptying their pistols at about 20-30 feet. The only reason his opponent was shot was because he thought a moving target would be harder to hit & backed into one of Doc's bullets.
     
  6. AlpinLuke

    AlpinLuke Well-Known Member

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    As an Italian I always find really paradoxical that Americans are discussing about "little restrictions" related to carrying concealed weapons.

    In Italy it's substantially prohibited, not only to carry them around, but also to own them it's quite difficult.
    It's easy to own an arsenal of rifle guns, if you declare to be a hunter ...

    But laws are really severe about carrying concealed weapons. The ratio of these laws is focused on terrorists and Mafia guys, but since a group of Men of Honors who want to kill something carry all the concealed weapons they want, these laws don't seem to get the goals the politicians had in mind writing them.

    Anyway, in Italy handguns are impossible to carry around if you are not an officer or a person with a so high income to be a potential victim of kidnapping.
     
  7. Hoosier8

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    Or if you are a crook.
     
  8. Pro-Consul

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    We have around 500 murders a year and only 40 of those were firearm related.
    So in my country it's better not to have them.
     
  9. ronmatt

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    I didn't think that "anything here" had anything to do with anything. It's a poll that has little to no purpose except maybe to provide you with some opinions based on peoples personal biases. So I wrote a little story that also had nothing to do with anything. I thought it may be apropos.
     
  10. domer76

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    All rights listed in the Bill of Rights have their limitations.
     
  11. AlpinLuke

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    Sure [as always, talking about firearms] it's valid the principal that a weapon doesn't kill, it's the person using it who kills.

    Anyway, we should note that firearms make the action of kill well more easy and safer. You can kill keeping a distance from the potential victim, not risking a hand to hand fight. Who kills using a knife can have to face a person able to defend oneself ...

    So the firearms make the criminals more sure, more aggressive.

    The criminals ... and criminals usually don't mind to have legal licenses to carry concealed weapons around ...
     
  12. Rickity Plumber

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    Shouldn't the same be afforded to the masses (if they so desire) that are offered to those of high income or kidnap victim? THAT is why the US is great . . . equality for all, not just a chosen few.
     
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    So where do the 40 firearms originate from? I mean if they are outlawed, where do the 10% or so get their firearms? Or are they outlaws in the first place?

    This would be my guess. What country by the way? I would LOVE to pick apart the numbers.
     
  14. AlpinLuke

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    The principal is not wrong, overall considering that handguns would be a good deterrent against armed criminals.

    A curiosity is that, despite Italy has got so strict rules about little weapons, we are a great producer of them [in US Beratta weapons are well known ...].
     
  15. ronmatt

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    So if you had 500 murders, 40 from guns and 460 from some other inventive method, Can we assume that, seeing that those other inventive methods would have been employed on those 40 if there were no guns at all? I think so. If someone wants someone else 'dead', they'll find a way to accomplish it. How is it "better not to have them"? Or is it your theory that if guns were more plentiful, folks would be out and about on killing sprees, 'just because it's easier'.
     
  16. Pro-Consul

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    No. Firearms aren't outlawed. There just incredibly hard to get hold of.
    And can you not see my flag?

    - - - Updated - - -

    What do you think a rifle is meant to do?
     
  17. J0NAH

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    They come from eastern europe, smuggled into britain by drug dealers through spain and holland. They are replica guns converted to fire live rounds. its generally illegal to have weapons in britain unless youre with the police or a farmer, farmers have shotguns and rifles for hunting.
     
  18. Pro-Consul

    Pro-Consul Banned

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    How do you convert a replica?
     
  19. FreshAir

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    every free American should be able to carry a concealed gun, you should not need a license period.....

    background checks are stupid because they basically say owning a gun is not a right, but a privilege
     
  20. J0NAH

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    its not something ive done or intend to so iwouldnt know.
     
  21. Pro-Consul

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    It's just I wouldn't of thought a replica would have all the necessary parts but I don't know.
    I've never owned a replica.

    Thanks for answering the query though.
     
  22. CRUE CAB

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    That has what to do with the US?
     
  23. Pro-Consul

    Pro-Consul Banned

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    So what?
     
  24. J0NAH

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    me neither, ilet my 'pen' do the fighting.
     
  25. Turok

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    From my understanding, a nation's gun ownership rate is a very poor indicator of its overall crime rate. I'd wager that if the economy was growing and the lower and middle classes were gaining more wealth, the overall rate of violent crime using firearms (or any other weapon) would go down no matter the nation's gun laws.
     

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