The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other developed country

I knew a guy when I was younger who was beaten with a pool que, it left him so brain damaged he just sits in a wheel chair and craps himself. He would have been better off being shot in the head. Facts do not lie, violent crime is higher in countries without guns because criminals are encouraged to commit crimes on victims that they know are unarmed.
I have a sign in my window that says... Do not try to rob this house, the owner is armed and will shoot to kill. However the next door neighbor is an anti gun fanatic and does not believe in owning guns.

 

So, in other words, the Bible didn't oppress any of your Rights...................and insults only prove you've lost this one..............

 

Listen, I'll give you a big few points in your favor, just speaking truthfully for a second. I really wouldn't be worried at all walking through the streets of Tennessee, or Mississippi, Louisiana or basically any former-Confederate state, I really wouldn't. Every single person I've encountered from those States has been very nice, considerate, and all-round agreeable (if very stern in traditional views, and culturally; quite something different compared to Michigan, where my wife hails from). I really wouldn't mind coming down to Texas next time I'm there and firing off a few shots with you myself, hell, I went out hunting Rabbits and Kangaroos with friends quite a few times in years past with a .223 (as I live in country Australia), and quite enjoy clay-pigeon shooting.

I even envy the sturdiness your 1st Amendment, which has slowly been chipped at by politicians here (with the introduction of an "Anti-Discrimination Act" which, while preventing perceived "Racism", by way of banning all Racist-Remarks or speech, and can lead to unjustifiable arrests and court cases, where idiotic young adults with a big mouth can screw their future prospects with a criminal record). But there has to be something of a middle-ground. Licensing, background-checks, something - that probably wouldn't have the slightest impact upon yourselves. The stats posted above and in other threads don't lie, there needs to be reform, but with such vehement opposition, I see no way forward. Apologies for any offensive remarks regarding your founding fathers. I attribute all this A** Kissing and bollocks cradling to the fact that I'm done debating the subject (and that it's really how I feel, my acerbic and strong worded posts can be 50% attributed to my naturally argumentative nature) and want out of the discussion, purely on the grounds that, while I and others may have a point, the argument remains pointless. It will not achieve anything, and is akin to a Jew trying to convince a Muslim that they are the chosen people of God... and also I'm into my sixth beer on a Monday morning, enjoying my day off, and we should all enjoy a bit of peace.

Cheers, Katchy.

 

Also, apologies to PrimeNumber and others, I've abandoned my post, and must pay the ultimate sacrifice for my treason... a 7th beer!

 

sorry you are trying to compare apples to oranges here, the UK has a far broader definition of what a violent crime is than the US.

According to the FBI, there are four crimes classified as “violent” in crime statistics: murder/non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

The list does not include burglaries, which is considered a property crime in the U.S. but a violent crime in the U.K.

In addition to murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault and burglary, England and Wales classify domestic violence and all sexual offenses – not just forcible rape – as violent.

Scotland and Northern Ireland compile their own statistics and systems.

In England and Wales, sexual offenses and domestic violence contain a wide range of offenses and make up a significant part of the overall number of their violent crimes.

Sexual offenses include rape, sexual assault, sexual activity with children, soliciting prostitutes (but not prostitution itself), sexual threats, sexual touching and indecent exposure.

Domestic abuse, described as a form of “intimate personal violence,” includes the following: non-sexual emotional or financial abuse, threats, physical force, sexual assault and stalking carried out by a current or former partner or other family member.

Several other crimes that are classified as violent in the U.K. include vehicle theft, purse-snatching and bicycle theft.

You have a far higher chance of being burgled, raped and/or murdered in the US than in the UK.

U.S. 2009 burglary rate: 716.3 per 100,000
U.K. 2009 burglary rate: 523 per 100,000.

U.S. 2009 murder rate: 5 per 100,000.
U.K. 2009 murder rate: 1.49 per 100,000.

U.S. 2009 rape rate: 56 per 100,000 females. - The US only includes female rapes in its figures
U.K. 2009 rape rate: 51 per 100,000 females/males. - The UK includes both male and female rapes in its figures.

Also the US up to 2012 defines rape as "the carnal knowledge of a female, forcibly and against her will", where as the UK defines rape as "he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of the complainant with his penis, the complainant does not consent and the defendant does not reasonably believe consent has been given”

furthermore The U.S. also has a higher rate of murder, and most happen by way of gun: the FBI said 67.8 percent of murders in 2011 were by firearm.

 

Facts don't lie yet you present none. So allow me.

Homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants in various countries.

Japan 1.02

United States 5.4

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murder-rate#2008

While Japan does have not have a total ban on firearms, laws are so restrictive that firearms are it all but banned... yet Japan is one of the safest societies on the planet.

 

Lol!

Americans go IF YOU TAKE OUT SUICIDES AND GANG MURDERS OUR GUN HOMICIDE RATE IS LIKE YOURS!!!

Well if you take out homicide by gun in gang related incidents and suicide ours would be lower as well.

Doy. So you're still gonna be behind.

 

Katchy, I would be for 100% background checks on all firearms sales, if it could not be used as a backdoor registration. All sales (in my world) should include a background check of the buyer and seller. If the buyer fails the check, he goes to prison after his next attempt to buy a gun, unless he clears up any misunderstanding that caused the first failure. If the seller fails the background check, the gun's background is checked by the police. If the gun is stolen, it goes to it's rightful owner. If it was used in a crime, it is evidence. If the gun is clean, it is impounded unless the seller can prove that he inherited the gun and was trying to sell it to get rid of the gun because of his ineligibility. All people with CHLs or FOID cards are exempt from background checks because the card is proof that a background check has been performed. The only time a gun's information is recorded is when the owner of the gun is determined to be ineligible to own the gun.

This system can be thwarted, but the purpose is for the people to willingly obey the law and not allow the right to keep and bear arms be infringed by the government. If state or local authorities want to set up stings with undercover buyers or sellers to ensure compliance, I'm good with it. As it is, we have to trust the feds to dispose of our gun ownership information and history. After the NSA debacle and the history of the IRS's political leanings and forced involvement in our healthcare, I'd rather them trust us than us trust them.

 

None of mine currently but I'm sure women and homosexuals would have something to say.

But if you do follow jebus here are some things you're forbidden from doing..
Eating lobster or crab
Eating bacon
Having a mixed garden..
Drinking at church.. don't sip the wine or you go to hell.
Eating anything mixing meat and dairy.. no cheese burgers, they're objects of satan.
Eating anything with fat in it
Hope you don't work on sundays either because you will go to hell. looks like every nfl player is doomed to a life of eternal suffering.

Have fun serving a made up being for life. I couldn't imagine going to church every sunday morning, that must really be rather tiring listening to some old man babble on about science fiction stories. Christians are suckers for torture I guess.

 

You are cherry picking your data. There are many countries where gun ownership is very restricted and they have very high murder rates. Just look at Mexico and most of South America. I can cherry pick also. You can compare El Paso to Ciudad Juarez. The only thing separating them is a river and the legal ability to own guns. El Paso, TX had 23 murders or 3.4 murders per 100k, while Ciudad Juarez had 797 murders or over 50 per 100k by my calculations. Those are 2012 numbers.

 

That's because your country supplies most of them..
According to U.S Justice Department figures, 94,000 weapons were recovered from Mexican drug cartels in the five years between 2006 and 2011, of which 64,000 or 70%-- come from the United States.

 

You can't blame it all on 0bama and Holder with Fast and Furious. We still have far more guns in El Paso, yet the people don't commit murder with them. Why is that?

 

Those are all valid points, but swaying from the thread topic for just a single question - Given you are obviously a proud Texan (ha) are you in favor of Texas succeeding from the U.S? Entirely possible given that your state population is roughly the same a ours, and GDP is roughly two thirds of ours. You would also be ridding yourselves of weaker states that contribute a deficit to the U.S economy (22 in total). If it were at all possible; would you be in support of such a move?

 

Interestingly enough Toronto our biggest city here in Canada has a population of 5,583,064 with 17 gun homicides in 2013. El Paso a city with what like maybe 1,000,000 people in the whole consensus area has 23 murders? That's crazy dude. Maybe below the 49th parallel you people are all just crazy. Maybe it's all the heat that makes you shoot each other. You people need more snow you have too much free time, you need to be shovelling instead.

 

Any secession would be a total mess and not good for anybody. The only way I would support secession, is if our economy totally collapses and rioting and chaos are rampant with no hope of controlling it. I won't support nationwide martial law. I do like that Texas would fare better than most states, but I don't long for secession.

I am very much for all states asserting their rights under the 10th Amendment.

Back to the thread.

 

Ah yes another of "these" threads posted by people that think they are clever for finding a study. The CDC has already been over this at the behest of both the Obama and Bush administrations not to mention there have been other studies including from Harvard (you know the bastion of conservatism) that have concluded that "gun control laws work........except when they don't" The critical thinking skills of gun control advocates are about as advanced as a three year old. They claim that if crime goes down in an area with gun control laws then it obviously must be the gun control laws but if crime goes up in an area with gun control laws........well then there must be some overriding factor. In other words things like societal norms, culture, law enforcement capabilities etc. ONLY seem to matter to gun control advocates if they can't explain why gun laws are not working in an area such as Chicago or Washington DC etc.

I will give you people a hint. Look at where most of the violent gun crimes are committed here in the US. It is NOT nationwide it is highly localized to specific regions.

 

so....
NOT being a Christian makes you an expert on Christian religions................
NOT praying to God. makes you a better Christian.
NOT following the basic tenants makes you a better Christian.
and......
engaging in same sex makes you a better Christian
demanding that your neighbors be defenseless makes you a better Christian
telling the rest of us to be silent makes you a better Christian
Lying about your neighbors makes you a better Christian
Coveting your neighbors Rights makes you a better Christian
Ordering people abut as if they were you lackeys makes you a better Christian......
Wait, you're not a Christian..............

 

I've been over this in previous parts of the thread whem someone claimed it was only "gun control utopias" like Los Angeles, DC and Chicago that had the highest national gun homicide rates but it's not. So we can put that argument to rest.

 

Not being a christian makes me a better christian.

 

The point was that gun control has very little if any impact on actual gun violence compared to a plethora of other factors. And yes in fact areas like Washington DC and Chicago do in fact have way above average gun crime despite having very strict gun laws. On the other hand there are cities in Louisiana that have high rates as well and as far as I know Louisiana does not have strict gun control laws. What does that tell you, it says that gun control laws are in effect meaningless especially in a country where you can travel from one state to another by just hopping on a highway. Gun control advocates are so stupid they actually think that apparently people never travel outside of their city.

 

That is already done, at least as to court records of mental instability and of course felonies.

 

uh huh...........think about what you just wrote...........

 

Our non-gun related killings are also pretty high.

We are just a violent country, compared to the rest of the developed world.

 

I'm kidding. Shesh.. obviously not being a christian makes me a terrible christian.

 

The real problem is the amount of firearms in the country as a whole. Having gun control does nothing if the next state over has none. Unfortunately that can never be remedied unless all states jump on board.