is benghazi eligible/worthy for/of realtime conspiracy theorieness ??

Ah yes now we have what has driven Scott back her in the faint hope of actually bieng right about something.

Unfortunately those pesky Republicans just wont quit spoiling his Fox fed talking points!!!

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014...ox-news-to-debunk-latest-fox-news-conspiracy/

****** those whistleblowers, eh Scott, that keep proving you wrong?

Now you better run off and sulk for another month or something till Fox makes up more crap about Benghazi that you can crow about for a day before its rubbished and you are proven flat out wrong. Again.

And yeah, I'm a foreigner. Big deal, that Republican isn't. What Alynsky rule is that?

 

don't worry rhalwong...
and i told you before surranisfogbow, better get frank

you ain't no foreigner...

surranis and "doctor" C

you want street cred... bring arduini and RC here.... real simple boys....


you're a bunch of babies... you too rooster... let's here from zatkovich jean claude trembley again... this is the biggest world story ever...



washingtonamerica.com

 

Don't go demonizing everybody, because of some nutcases.

I am a Republican, and I think the talk of "conspiracy" is nonsense also. Now do I think there was a cover-up of some bad decisions made, yes. But this is typical in government, everybody trying to cover their ass because they made some bad calls. But that is not the same thing as a conspiracy.

 

so it's ok ?

 

two more f 16's just went overhead, waiting to see the new 35, very impressive, America and the green mountain boys and girls are poised for battle.

nobody wants to fight, but someone needs to know how...

very impressive... they were also among the first to arrive over nyc 9/11

thanks to all of our fine American troops and their families...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/134th_Fighter_Squadron

 

Makes what ok? Everyone, after 8 investigations and countless hours of testimony, has agreed that no-one did anything wrong. The actual evidence of anything could be shown on a blank page.

Oh the F35 is real impressive alright.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-f-35-is-a-disaster-2014-7?op=1#ixzz36WJ2mlXr

Australia "took delivery" of its first one a couple of months ago. Its expected to be actually delivered in 2018. Maybe.

Yes, the F35 is in fact the biggest, most expensive turkey in world history.

Seriously, do you have the remotest clue about whats actually, really going on in the world?

And your "hur hur! Aww!" answers are only making you look stupid. What Alynsky rule states that you win by making yourself look like an ignorant, clueless fool?

 

you're just an arguing machine jj. a fountain of negativity. maybe my not appealing to your judgements is a good thing. otherwise i'd worry. i'm not saying you're not too bright though .

it wasn't the 35's, they were 16's. wow they are still impressive when they go over a few hundred meters off the deck.

you know, if there's no stand down order, just politics right.

 

i say conspiracy, in the heat of a national election. (stephanie cutter et al)

 

OK, so what was the conspiracy? That they set the Ambassador out with an almost total lack of protection so he could be assassinated?

Was it really at the prompting of the US Government that the compound was attacked?

Because unless your claim is along those lines, it is not a conspiracy. Conspiracy has to be planned out in advance of the attack, with the attack being the goal or a major step along the path to the goal. Your claims are completely lacking this little fact. So tell us, what is the goal of this conspiracy?

So if you say conspiracy, then give us the connecting factors. Nobody concocts a conspiracy to accomplish nothing here. And at this point, all we have is a dead Ambassador, nothing afterwards, nothing accomplished.

 

there was a political deflection so precise as to have everyone tell the same exact story. i submit that directive came from the head office in chicago. the real white house.

the cart after the horse.... you know, a strategy. the fact that we are just hearing the real events story now, is considerable/significant.... juxtapose the coverage of the benghazi affair to the "osama" execution. maybe there's a clue.....

the goal was reelection, of course, and it worked.

 

Then that is not a conspiracy, that is a cover-up.

Wanting the Ambassador to be killed on purpose as a way to gain support and sympathy, that is a conspiracy.

Wanting to cover up bad decisions so not to look bad in an election is not a conspiracy, it is a cover-up.

They are not the same thing, so use the correct term in the correct way.

So now you have a definition of what both of these are. And by what you are saying, there is no plan made in advance (which is a conspiracy), simply people trying to shift blame for bad decisions away from themselves (which is a cover-up).

Dictionaries are your friend.

 

Mushroom, you seem like a reasonable sort so I'll let you take a crack at Scotte for a while. (We obviously disagree about a few things but that's ok) I suspect that it wont take you long to realize what everyone else has realized about this guy at this point.

 

it's okay to disagree about a few things mushroom....

 

if it was one person doing the covering up, i'd say you were right, otherwise.... conspiracy to cover up a political liability just before the presidential election. it's after the event i'm concerned with, in this case. e. g. watergate

your example is more like the lincoln assassination.

 

You have to realize something.

Whenever I step down into the CT section, I know I am not going to change the mind of those that believe in conspiracies. I basically act as a foil, trying to get both those that may fall into the trap of CT thinking that it is often smokes and mirrors and nonsense.

And in this specific case, as a way to show those "on the left" that not all "Republicans" or "Conservatives" think this way.

Personally, do I think there was a cover-up? Yea, Benghazi was a royal fuster cluck of epic proportions, and has been spun politically from both sides. But I reject any idea that it was a "conspiracy", because by definition that means that the Ambassador was left out to die on purpose, and there is absolutely nothing to be gained by such an act.

But you still miss the point obviously.

To be a conspiracy, the attack itself must have been part of the plan. Otherwise you simply have a cover-up. A conspiracy is an active plot, where things are arranged in advance. A cover-up is a reactionary event, where once something happens people react (often in foolish ways) as a way to hide their behavior to the event.

Do I think it is a cover-up? Of course, that stupid claim it was in reaction to a YouTube video is proof of that. But is there anything actually evil or illegal in a cover-up itself? That is open to interpretation, and is far removed from a conspiracy.

Watergate was a conspiracy, and a cover-up both, so does not really apply. There was a Conspiracy among some members of the RNC, of that there is no question. But what brought down the Administration was the cover-up of this event. I never believed that the President was involved in the Conspiracy, and all evidence points out to this fact (his own tapes show him wondering who was really behind it when he first heard of it, not suspecting it was the RNC).

As for President Lincoln, other then some nutcases that try to point the finger at some like Secretary Stanton, there is absolutely no evidence that this was a conspiracy larger then a few Southern Sympathizers.

[video=youtube;xBbVPbCYCP0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBbVPbCYCP0[/video]

And even at the age of 12, I was aware that this film was complete crap (yes, I admit to seeing it in the theatre, and reading the book). I was young and curious, but even at that age I realized there was no evidence at all, just conjecture which made no sense.

 

you have a keen mind miss mushroom... ...

 

Thanks. Although having worked in the computer field for over 30 years, logic is a key part of who I am. And I always try to approach everything logically, as well as accurately. I also have no political agenda. I largely could not care less about politics themselves, I simply promote the truth and accuracy.

Do I favor this Presidential Administration? No. Do I think Benghazi has been a cover-up since Day 1? Yes. That however does not mean I think it is any kind of Conspiracy, nor do I think any kind of crime has really been committed. Simply people that made bad decisions, and are trying to cover their asses. Nothing more and nothing less.

That however does not mean that a cover-up can not develop into a kind of mini-conspiracy to continue to hide the truth. The current IRS scandal is an example of that. As time goes on this simply does not die, especially with the now ongoing findings about the destroyed cell phones and purposefully erased email records. Do I think that some members of the IRS were trying deny tax exempt status? Yes, but I do not think this was a conspiracy, as much as them trying to use politics and power to get what they wanted. But the cover-up is becoming worse then the actual deed itself.