Russian Official: US Must Abandon Claims to Eternal Uniqueness

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  1. debrarae

    debrarae New Member

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    Tell that to the Ukranians!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ussian-forces-says-Petro-Poroshenko-live.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/

    How is that invasion (Which Putin said wouldn't happen) 'proving' that Putin "has the utmost integrity.." again?

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/03/ukraine-crimea-putin-invasion-international-law
     
  2. sharik

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    how many US immigrants in, say, Norway or Japan?.. that's the point, neither of those countries advertise themselves as welcoming immigrants. Russia's the same; not to mention what a bad publicity Russias gets in the West, whereas the latter advertises itself worldwide using every hard sell method.

    did you read the charges brought out against those persons?.. what Putin has to do with this?
     
  3. Clausewitz

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    I'm not sure what your link has to do with Putin not promising to invade the Ukraine to only end yup invading the Ukraine.
     
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    Putin did it all right. Ukraine does not need to be really invaded, because Ukraine is a part of Russia. Russians are no invaders, they are at home in Ukraine and Ukrainians are at home in Russia. This is a nationalist fraction from Lvov, who are invaders in Ukraine, especially in the eastern part of it.
     
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    LOLOLOL! Whatever gets you through your day in Russia. You have a dwindling population because of advertising......right.
     
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    it isn't dwindling any longer; but what this has to do with immigration issue? America has initially been established as a country for immigrants, there's even "green card" lottery held; another thing is that when an immigrant arrives to the USA, he finds out the life there is not as rosy as in Hollywood movies, but by then it's already too late.
     
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    The only reason freedom thrives in the US (and it really does not) is because we can afford it. And the ONLY reason we can afford it is because we have more natural resources than anybody else and are willing to send the 7th Fleet to take the resources we don't have. That and the fact that we've managed to keep total wealth out of the hands of the elites for the past 100 years. That's changing now and soon we'll have a Sherwood Forest-type thing going. The rich will eat venison. The rest of us will eat raccoon.

    The only thing unique about the US are the resources. Not the people. Hell, most of us our descendants of the dregs of other societies and probably couldn't compete if we went back. Eternal uniqueness my white arse.
     
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    We may need to simplify public policies so the wealthiest won't need to practice their exceptionalism as often.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    MSM is nothing more than propaganda outlets, left for some, right for others. But at a deeper level they support the oligarchy. They are the voice of the oligarchy. Afterall they are owned by 5 or 6 huge corporations, who are always only self interested.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the world needs to stop begging for our help whenever (*)(*)(*)(*) hits the fan
     
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    Uh yah you could not have described yourself any better than that.
     
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    l suppose your ancestors were thriving in Europe when they decided to pack up everything and move here. People do that, you know. Just when things couldn't possibly get any better, they leave because they are bored with the old country. Ain't that about right, sonny?

    Frigging moron.
     
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    You stated:

    "Hell, most of us our descendants of the dregs of other societies and probably couldn't compete if we went back. Eternal uniqueness my white arse."

    The above statement is moronic. People came to Canada for many reasons. The tthree most common were catasrophic enviornmental reasons (flooding, famine), escaping political persecution, and for some the opportunity to obtain a better way of life.

    Your sweeping and idiotic statement stereotyping immigrants reflects your own self-defeating and self-hating views of yourself and yes they do reflect what you are as further evidenced by your response.

    Now you stated:

    "l suppose your ancestors were thriving in Europe when they decided to pack up everything and move here."

    No actually they were not. They were either being gassed or escaping from pogroms. In fact one side of my family escaped to Shanghai, China and lived there until 1949 before coming to Canada. Its a long story and clearly one I would not bother to share with you but for the many immigrants of the US and Canada like me, we came often because of escaping political
    oppression and we found in Canada and the US a way of life including democracy and rights our ancestors dreamed of but never thought possible.

    So your assumption we were white dregs is idiotic. Your assumption that immigrants are dregs is idiotic.

    Immigrants did not come here because they were bored. What a moronic stereotype of immigrants. Most came because they were escaping death, starvation or some sort of hardship. They risked everything for the chance to get a better life for their families. That is what the US and Canada is about.

    Save your hatred and absurd characterization of immigrants for someone else.

    You stated:

    "People do that, you know. Just when things couldn't possibly get any better, they leave because they are bored with the old country. Ain't that about right, sonny? "

    No that aint right. In fact its so far from the truth it renders your assumption imbecilic.

    Finally don't call me Sonny. I am 58. You know nothing about me, my family, what I have witnessed and experienced in life.

    Save your imbecilic and simple minded rants for someone else.
     
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    Russia's resources are tremendous, the country has a great future. We have to change our attitude and policies. Americans are still quite adaptable to changes. I truly believe we will preserve and improve our democracy.
     
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    I agree that our elected representatives need to be more exceptional and have more Faith in Capitalism and make more money under our form of Capitalism, with an official Mint at our disposal.
     
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    when was the last time you saw Syrians over here digging wells and laying water lines in our towns?
     
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    What a load of crap. Thriving people couldn't have cared less about flooding, famine or persecution. Only the dregs.

    Another load of wet, stinking, mierde. Do you suppose my ancestors ALWAYS lived here? Do you suppose I hate my ancestors?

    Get you thoughts together, pal, and get back to me.
     
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    Promoting the general welfare implies nation-building; for the US. We have a Commerce Clause for foreign States.
     
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    Our democracy needs many amendments and repairs. First, we really should not think of ourselves as the best example of democracy for other countries. Our generals helped to establish democracy in a few post WWII countries and they did a better job then our founding fathers and an array of their successors did. No "electoral college" and money was not speech and corporations were not people.
     
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    What democracy? Where? Your country is nothing more than a recycled Communist Party working as a hired thug for the Russian mob. You have no free markets. The Communist Party which you do not want to call that but is, controls the economy for the mob.

    You can propagate all you want but there are no free markets. Your country faces severe food shortages this winter and the coming years. Its comitted and locked in its oil to China at below market prices no differently than Angola, Mozambique and Iran.

    You want to pretend its a democracy? You want to pretend anyone can set up a business and thrive unless they are the mob?

    Until Russia dismantles the Mob-recycled Communist Party which has a choke hold on its nation, nothing will change. Nothing.

    Putin is doing no different than Breshnev, Kruschev, Andropov his role model. Gorbachev/s attempt to introduce a free market was all but destroyed. By the time the drunk Yaltsin came to power the mob had taken over any remaining business
    and began setting up the former communists out of work as its hired thugs.

    You clearly support Putin. I happen to think most Russians do not and do not feel they are in the position to openly challenge him at this point but when the food shortages break out, we shall see.

    Your country is bankrupt. Your need to engage in petty outside border wars to dettract from its failed economy does serve to suddenly yak Putin's popularity ratings but the effect soon wears off when people line up for food and have no jobs.

    http://dyingrussia.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/the-decline-and-fall-of-the-putin-empire/
     
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    Everyone is unique in some way, and so are all countries, but they're not trying to form the world to their liking. The U.S. is trying to, and that is the problem. :oldman:
     
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    whenever there is a big problem, the world looks to the USA for help.
     
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    Says who? You? Why should anyone give your opinion any credibility?
     
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    Russia is not like your country, of course. Russia has her own problems, the country is relatively recently from the most oppressive communist rule, but Russia will find her way without foreign help.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Yes, after WWII USA pooped in every country whether it asked for help or not, but we "wanted" to help : Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya and most recently, Ukraine...
     
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    You have this as your avatar: What you don't see with your eyes, don't witness with your mouth. I gather then everything you wrote you saw with your own eyes. :roflol:

    You said Russia should change. To what, to be like the U.S. which deals with criminals in Ukraine, and terrorists throughout the Middle East for its own geo political interests... not to mention prints money to feed its own war machine. I could go on and on. At least Putin is dealing with the criminals in Russia, and if they're not in jail they have left the country or died. He did not become one of them. Can we say that about the ones running Washington DC?

    Anyway the Russians are not going to starve, so you can stop believing the propaganda, no one else does. By December China and the Bric nations will be able to supply Russia with food, since it refuses to buy from nations who see Washington as the legislator of international law
    . :oldman:
     

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