Where IS the line drawn between a Tea Partyer and an anarchist?

I have yet to see the Tea Party sign or blog posting that read "I hate 90% of Government" or where they explain what Government services they WOULD keep?

Perhaps on a state or local level, but on a Federal level...have you seen any actual difference in what the anarchists say about government and what the Tea Partyers say about it?

You might argue the TPers are "militaristic anarchists"...in other words, they like just enough Government to go fight endless wars. Or a few might be "theocratic anarchists"...who want just enough Government to insure proper control of female uteruses.

But other than that, the rhetoric seems identical.

 

Tea Party Derangement Syndrome is alive and well. Beats focusing on the loser they put in the WH.

 

You on the Left remind me of a wife that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es like crazy because her husband won't let her spend 10 times more than they take in, in wages. As if you never have to pay that money back and who cares if a quarter of the money goes to just pay the interest on their debt.

 

Frankly I don't care just as long as the GOVERNMENT KEEPS ITS HANDS OFFA MY MEDICARE!

 

I think you have overdosed on Reid and Warren propaganda.

 

Right, as long as you get yours, to hell with everyone else. That's how many feel. What effects do you think this huge debt will have on future generations? What will they lose to give us what we want? You want to put down the old for wanting their medicare, while you (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) that you want more of something else.

 

The line between the Tea Party and the Anarchists is way, way to the right of the line between the leftists and the anarchists. Wait, their is no line between the leftists and the anarchists. The anarchists are the brownshirts for the leftists. The anarchists vandalize and assault and the leftists publicly condemn them and privately cheer them on.

 

I think the idea of the lesser government that the Tea Party had was fair. I wouldn't say they are militaristic in any sense. I think that the Tea Party has some good ideas but their push for more religion and anti-abortion is not fair and not supported by the constitution.

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Keep in mind, the Patriot Act surged this distrust of the Fed govt

 

Tea Partiers don't even understand what an anarchist is. They only know that it's a "dirty word" -- just like the word "Liberal". You're merely whizzing in the wind attempting to explain it to them. You might as well be trying to explain hole theory in semiconductors.

 

WHOOSSHHH

"What was THAT?"

"I dunno, went RIGHT over my head"

(Just in case the point isn't clear, Medicare IS a government program, he was being satirical)

My own feeling is that TeaPartiers are, basically, Nihilistic, like most Nazis actually were. They have no real coherent politics of any kind except that they hate blacks, muslims and the poor, just like Nazis basically hated Jews and anyone else they regarded as non-'Aryan' or supportive of such, most would admit to being fascists but few had any idea of who Vilfredo Pareto was.

 

Can't answer the question either,huh?

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Again...no answer from the Right to a simple question. Is it because there IS no answer they can give?

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Still waiting, Papastox......explain the DETAILED "difference" between an anarchist's view of the Federal Government.....and a Tea Partyer's view of the Federal Government?

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Notice?....you still didn't actually say where Tea Party and anarchists split.

Why not?

 

But again, AS....waiting on some folks on the Right to explain HOW MUCH "less Government" the Tea Party wants, compared to the Anarchists? If "Everything gone but Defense"....then they are basically "militaristic anarchists".

But if they deny that....give us some DETAILS on what they want the Federal Government to do?

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"No, Donnie, these guys are nihilists. We have nothing to fear from them"--Walter Sobchak

 

These are the 15 core beliefs as published by the official Tea Party website:

Anarchists, on the other hand, believe in the abolishment of ALL government and they rebel against any authority and/or ruling power.

To my reading, there is almost no similarity between the two.

 

6. Government must be downsized.

13. Intrusive government must be stopped.


Give me details on #6 and #13...and let's see if there is "almost no similarity between the two."

For instance. HOW MUCH should Government be downsized?

And HOW EXACTLY is "Government intrusion" "different" from "authority and/or ruling power"?

 

Well, in my opinion 'downsizing government' is nothing... at all... 'like abolishing all government rule'. And the other 13 items in the list that you did not quote would seem to support anti-anarchistic tenancies by implying government-based solutions and/or modifications. The two items you did cherry-pick are, admittedly, the most anarchy-leaning ones though.

I don't speak for the Tea Party, and am not a member, but I'd think a reasoned answer is something like: The tea party is for constitutionally limited government, under the law, and anarchists want no laws OR government.

 

My take on the Tea Party is they want less federal government. I think they are cool with various state-level governing. I don't know anymore though. I don't pay too much attention to them because "god" comes up too much in their politics and though I am not an atheist, i don't think it's fair to have religion tied into all this.

 

Tea Party's American Dream

 

1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.

I don't actually have a problem with most of this in principal. Where my issue come in is the absolutes. Words like "must", "mandatory" and "sacred".

Words like that smack of fanaticism, which is a Bad Thing no matter who is showing symptoms. What those words say to me is "We are going off the deep end with these concepts and damn the consequences!"

 

I asked for DETAILS...not more talking points.

HOW MUCH Government does the Tea Partyer want "downsized"? To what levels? Wipe out the EPA, OSHA? Those are easy to call for. How about the IRS? Eliminate the Depts. of Energy and Education? Piece of cake to talk about....

How about the Department of Agriculture? Wipe it out? Or keep "parts" of it? Which "parts"? Dept. of Commerce? Dept. of Health and Human Services?


And you say the Anarchists don't like "any authority or ruling power".....what authority and ruling power of the Federal Government....do the Tea Partyers LIKE??? Name offices or positions.

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AS, do my experiment. Find one...and ask them for DETAILS about how MUCH "less Federal Government" they want.

It's getting to be pretty obvious....THEY have no idea. It's just a throwaway line they are taught to say.

 

We could abolish federal government right now and we would still have government, just not central control. TP would like to the the federal government do it's intended and original job instead of grabbing more power, intruding in our lives, performing progressive flights of fancy (which has required it to intrude more and more into our lives), which in turn would reduce it's cost.

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What don't you understand about smaller central control?

 

The Tea Party is just angry all the time

 

Fine...tell me EXACTLY and in detail...what that is and that you want to get rid of everything else?

 

Where is the line drawn?

When you awake from your narcotic-induced stupor, the line is clear.

Tea Partiers are not anarchists. Tea Partiers are fully aware that a certain amount of government is a necessary evil. How much government is really necessary? That is the question.

In the short term about the level of government you had under Ike/JFK would be about right. Federal spending about 17% of GDP - a third of that on defense. Heavy on infrastructure. Very light on entitlements. Deficit <1% of GDP.
How about 1960?
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total_spending_1960USpn

Better yet would be the Coolidge years.
How about 1926? Federal spending <4% of GDP. One-ninth on defense (heyday of isolationism). A 1% of GDP surplus.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total_spending_1926USpn


Neither of these years could be described as anarchy.

 

Read the Constitution. The failing progressive model that countries are sinking under is not what the Federal Government is supposed to do.

 

More like he/she came down with Pelositis. Her recent gem is that the Dems will take the House next month and retain the Senate.