Why are Christians so Mean-Spirited?

I'm honestly not asking this question to be snarky or troll-like. I'd just really like to know.

Most religious people, in one sense or another, do, generally, profess some idea of believing in a god that is by most human standards, the embodiment of all that is good and just (Let's not get into the business about him ordering deaths etc, just right now, OK). Why then is the main religious expression of so many people mainly the really vicious and unending persecution of anyone who disagrees with them? as frex, the way Christians behave to LGBT.

I mean, okay, fine, your religion says you shouldn't be gay. WHY does that mean you can't permit them to get married (in some other Church than yours, and conservative propaganda notwithstanding, that is ALL they are asking for ) and/or even do business with them?

I'm not gay, and frankly, the idea of gay sex is honestly repugnant to me, but so is the idea of sex with a lot of WOMEN I know, and I don't hate these women because of it. I don't refuse to associate with them and seek to deny them the right to get married (to someone else)

Why, in other words, don't religious people ever try to lead by EXAMPLE, instead of persecution and coercion. Why don't they just concentrate on being such good people that others just have to notice and think better of religion for it? As it is, I find that the majority (certainly not all, but most) religious people really make me feel that religion is a very bad thing, generally just an excuse and justification that people have for hating the people they hate.

"See these Christians, how they love one another" Tertullian

 

You're overlooking the basic fact that the Bible and the Koran demands that believers be intolerant bigots. Remember the First Commandment and you will understand.

 

"Cause everybody's pickin' on 'em.....makes 'em ornery....


I did always wonder why a person can't ask a question or debate a Christian without them accusing the other of hate or anger....it seems these are the only 2 emotions Christians have since they're always on the tip of their tongues....

 

Anti-gay christians think LGBT individually will literally burn in hell for their actions, so they see themselves as saving their souls by trying to "pray away the gay." Of course, their opposition to homosexuality is not well grounded in the Bible, but that never stopped anyone.

Abortion is another issue where tolerance isn't really possible for the serious Christian. Pro lifers believe aborting a fetus is the moral equivalent to murdering an adult. You can't really live and let live when you think thousands of murders are going unpunished.

 

Simply put...they are almost required to find fault in anyone who does not follow the same God they do, in the same way thy see it. Thus, many Christians do not consider other Christians to be Christians...how can anyone non Christian be considered acceptable and apparently no one is the same flavored Christian as the first Christian.

There is also the onset of "Christian Persecution Complex" in many cases....which forces them to feel paranoid about being attacked while they go on the attack.

 

Where are you getting your numbers? How are you telling "a majority of religious people" from "that one guy with a media outlet and an interest in becoming famous from bold exclamations"?

And most importantly, if you have a problem with those religious people who treat LGBT issues in a certain way, why phrase the title to include the others as well? I don't want all atheists to get the blame for Soviet, so I extend the same courtesy to religious people of only blaming those whom I disagree with for disagreeing with me.

 

I don't think you know what the 1st commandment is

 

The funny thing is that this is a more substantial thread than most about this issue. Once you assume the writer is really talking about fundamentalism and conservative christian activism it makes more sense.

This stuff is a problem because it has the highest potential of creating violent results from religious faith. Anyway, the answer to the OP is because they feel threatened by the secular world view. In the minds of reactionary religious fundamentalist (of any faith) the ills of the world all come back to the loss of traditional religious beliefs. Fighting secular values and atheistic thought is a moral and ethical imperative for them.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) atheist and I am one. For last 10 years or so I have seen atheist become very belligerent to the point I do not address myself as atheist but as a non believer. Atheist wanting to erase our history, monuments and put it all in the past.

Atheist have become this victim class puzzies screaming and crying at every corner in life when they become offended.

Good morning all, let me go take bites out of my pop tart and make it into the shape of a cross.....

Ohhh, almost forgot. Atheist hiding behind LGBT's skirt to fight the good fight. Always fun to watch when the two groups get together on this forum.

(*)(*)(*)(*)ing whiners feed off each other.

 

Both groups are whine about their own issues. Seems to be the case in almost everything. If an authority does something we don't like we whine, no matter where that authority comes from. Each group picks the authority they ascribe to and whines about the authority they don't. s'life

I agree with you about the belligerence of atheist on this forum. In the real world I see it much less, excepting news groups that focus on individual incidence involving conflict. If we concentrate only on conflict situations we will get a pretty warped vision of what's really going on.

 

Well I disagree that you are not trying to be snarky or troll like, but the problem, if there is one, is not in Christianity, but in the nature of democracy. Your position would be comparable to say poor people shouldn't have any say in what the upper income tax rate is because they are not the ones who will be sending the check to Uncle Sam in April.

 

True. Did not mean to imply that Christians are innocent but when approached by the people of faith I was never offended and politely said thank you, not interested and then I go about my business. No mess.

Now I listen to some poor fragile atheist with weak constitution cry about laws, cry about monuments, cry about crosses on the side of the road marking someones death.

I love it when atheist say "How christian of you" in rebuttal to some atheist badgering them about a god that they choose to believe in.

That same atheist will go to the gay thread and say gays should be respected and equality is final in the eyes of the law...... and constitution.

Then that same atheist will now enter another thread and say abortion is a woman's private choice over her body....

And finally without losing any breath this wonderful atheist will enter a minority thread and will make the statement we are all equal.

As I said, (*)(*)(*)(*) atheist. I have no time for the offended victims.

 

All Christians are not mean spirited, but those who are sure are a pain in the rear.... and how they love to claim victim status.

 

One of two things explains the hateful, mean spirited behavior exhibited by many modern Christians:

1) They are possessed by the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is actually a vile and hateful spirit.
2) They are liars who falsely claim to be Christians, when they actually are not.

 

Really? While there are a lot of atheist who are liberal I find a lot of them to be libertarian also. Libertarians seem to be divided about abortion but you may be right about LGBT. The anti gay marriage laws are relatively new and your anti regulation crowd really hates new laws. As far as racial issues go, how does that connect at all to theism? I think the broad majority of everyone here on PF is opposed to special protection of minority races, including the atheist.

 

When I say atheist I did not assign any political or racial affiliation. They come from all walks. I agree with you that this forum attracts the extreme in that sense and it is not representative of day to day people in my circles. My opinion can be skewed because I have become hyper sensitive to all this collective victim proficiency and validation mindset.

I will admit the world is leaving me behind, but I am OK with that and comfortable in my ways. One thing this forum has taught me is people in our prosperity (US) have become very spoiled regardless of political affiliation, economic class or racial makeup.

As for your classes of people you mention below you will have to discuss that with them and the tactics they use for gain. Messy to be sure and a trait politicians and individuals should be ashamed of.

 

10 Years is not so bad. Why are you complaining. Christians have been forcing their beliefs on others around them for 1700 years !

What monuments do atheists want to erase ?

 

"Most religious people." Who are they ?

You are judging the masses that have been brainwashed by society, however I would like to point out a very clear and true verse in the Bible, words of Christ himself, he said "strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

"Religious people" has nothing to do with Christians that are "so Mean-Spirited," unless you judge the way the rest of our brain washed stereotypical society does. Judge the very few [that find life] that are actually worthy to take the Lords Name and then you would recognize them as the salt of the earth when you are worthy to judge. You are not at this point.

You are only stereotyping the masses because you know no better. The rest of your post is redundant.

 

Forced? Gift, if you want to live in the past 1700 years go for it. My reflection is with the current 53 years on this earth within the United States and of the last 10 years in specific. Have you been forced to pray and get on your knees? Give me a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing break

Here you go....such fragile atheist:

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Lets make it easy, just google the words "Atheist sue". What a bunch of mental wimps atheist are, so fragile and oppressed....

I will add the atheist seem to stay away from the Muslims. Atheist, afraid they will kick your ass?

 

LOL How are you doing Giftedone, I missed you Seriously, I have always enjoyed debating with you, my good friend. I am jumping into this thread without reading all the posts but I thought it was funny because I simply highlighted your question and hit 'search google' and I see a whole lot of stuff answering your question.

"Oklahoma City, OK—American Atheists filed a federal lawsuit on Monday against members of the Oklahoma State Capitol Preservation Commission for placing a 2,000-pound Ten Commandments monument at the north entrance of the Oklahoma State Capitol in Oklahoma City. The monument was placed in 2012 following the passage of a 2009 bipartisan legislative measure."

What am I missing here, you know these things have happened all over the place ?

 

LOL !!! Good for you. ...and I share your laughter =

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Define Christian Margot,really.

 

I thought our constitution was pretty explicit. No gov't endorsed religions. Am I wrong?
Now they may have to move it, but it doesn't have to be destroyed.(erased)

 

lol. I'm pretty sure the OP is the one accusing others of hate and/or anger. And ..... YOU!

See how that works!

 

Their reputation precedes them.....I'm just reporting on their reactions....aren't THEY the ones preaching LOVE and KINDNESS ???

 

Isn't it just the nature of forums?
Lets be honest the majority of people care very little about religion or politics, so on forums you get people with strong opinions and they clash. Very occasionally we get a really good debate on here about an interesting philosophical question but usually someone will lobb a metaphorical hand grenade in the middle of it.
Seems the same on most forums. I can point you in the direction of a audiophile forum where they are at each others throats about whether valves or transistors are best.
Thankfully in real life most of us are not as aggressive as our online persona.