What actually are the big differences between the three Abrahamic religions?

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  1. Margot2

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    Yes.. the anticipated Jewish Messiah was to be an anointed warrior king like David who would throw off the Romans.
     
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    Is that what you believe or is that what your church teaches?
     
  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    So people hundreds of years before the Romans showed up in Judea knew that the Romans would come and oppress the Jews and that the anticipated Jewish Messiah would save them? I guess they never saw Hitler and the Arabs as a problem worthy of a Messiah.
     
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    When did the flood of noah's time, cover the entire earth?
     
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    force sex talk underground, you say? NO ONE talks about sex as much as you do, Dave.
     
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    Of all the problems in the world, Cupid is worried if children are born out of wedlock. Typical. Welfare is a fundamental tenant of Jesus' teaching, assuming Jesus ever existed and his words actually transcribed reliably. There will always be some type of welfare. I agree we should talk freely about sexuality, especially to our children, but I doubt it will affect child abuse. Whatever your opinion on abortion, it is a secular decision as far as law is concerned.
     
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    Of course Jesus knew the 10 commandments. I don't know where you read
    that he was asked about them. He wasn't. At any rate, he was asked what
    was the greatest commandment. He answered Love the Lord your God with
    all your heart, sould and might. That covers the first four commandments.
    Then Jesus said the other is like it, love your neighbor as yourself. That
    covers the next 6 commandments. He knew them so well that he boiled them
    down into two. Of course he was God.
    Yes, I just explained it.
     
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    That's not about Christianity. But the answer is during the time of Noah.
     
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    good post :)

    problem is that some religions seem to have been interpreted to mean an overweening focus on trivialities. if I was the superstitious type, I'd probably go so far as to suggest that such a phenomenon could only be the work of a very dark force indeed. a dark force which relies on the trick of distracting us with shiny baubles (the ego-gratifying obsession with inconsequentials) while he gets on with the serious dirty work .. like (*)(*)(*)(*)ing over the planet, starving children to death, and starting wars.
     
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    Marx was wrong about a lot of things, but religion is truly the opiate of the masses.
     
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    I'd take the opium. At least you can be honest about it.
     
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    I didn't make up the name Trinity.

    Trinity was the result of the work of the same Christians who Constantine saved from persecution in 313AD when he mandated Tolerance instead of martyrdom for them.

    Rev. 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation Ten Years (as was instigated by Diocletian [303-313 AD]): be thou faithful unto (a martyr's) death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

    These martyrs collected in 325AD at Nicea, and together agreed that Christ was the image of God, himself.
    That idea became known from then a Trinity.
     
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    Yes, because the fatherless kids suffer enormous Child Abuse:

    Statistics on Fatherlessness
    CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTS
    (*)
    It’s a Fact
    Here’s why:

    63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).

    90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.

    85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.
    (Source: Center for Disease Control).

    80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes. (Source:
    Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).

    71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals Assoc. Report on the State of High Schools).

    85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. Of Corrections, 1992).

    These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:

    5 times more likely to commit suicide
    32 times more likely to run away
    20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
    14 times more likely to commit rape
    9 times more likely to drop out of high school
    20 times more likely to end up in prison

    Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*:
    (*)
    • 15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
    • 4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
    • 6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
    • 24.3 times more likely to run away
    • 15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
    • 6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
    • 10.8 times more likely to commit rape
    • 6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
    • 15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
    • 73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes
    •(*) 6.3 times more likely to be in state operated institutions

    Daughters who live in mother only homes are 92% more likely to divorce**

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    Yes.
    Religion has been the one thing that could stop sexual promiscuity.
    Nothing else has ever worked to do that.
     
  14. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    As I pointed out in another thread there's nothing in the Ten Commandments about loving anyone except God. The First Commandment tells the people to destroy other people's religious shrines and artifacts. The Tenth Commandment is to not boil a young goat in its mother's milk. The idea of loving other people is non-existent.

    Jesus didn't have a clue.
     
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    Sure it is. It started the history for christianity. But I don't know is just as good an answer as you gave.
    So there are questions you can't answer.

    How about the name of the pharoah that moses and god sent the plagues on?

    And if you're incapable of answering simple questions of the bible that is given, what makes you think you're qualified to answer any questions about the bible and it's religion?
     
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    His answer to the flood question was hilarious. This is a real comedy club.
     
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    Since martyrs by definition, are dead, how then can they get together and agree with the trinity.

    The folks who met at Nicea were only a small portion of Church Leaders. It was Constantine who insisted on the word "homoousios" and this led to the trinity becoming doctrine.

    Constantine's insertion of the word "homoousios" was done for political reasons.

    There was good reason why the bishops at the council did not go against the will of the Emperor. These reasons were both political and also because it was not a good idea for ones health to go against the Emperor. (Eusebius was immediately exiled and some of the others were killed).
     
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    In Islam, Mohammad is the last and only true prophet and is considered to be the perfect man and the Koran, though much has been borrowed both good and bad from the Judaic and Christian religions, is considered the only true word of God. Like Jesus, Mohammad is to be emulated but Mohammad was both peaceful (early history) and warlike (later history) so both peace and war are part and parcel of Islam.
     
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    Not true. Not stealing, lying, committing adultery, coveting, honor your
    parents and not murdering are acts of love toward your neighbor.
    It says nothing of the sort. Where did you read that?
    You're not quoting from the 10 Commandments. You're quoting the
    Levitical Law. There's a huge difference.

    Jesus definitely had a clue. Somebody else is lacking in biblical
    knowledge.
     
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    And anything he did or said trumps the Qur'an and the other writings of
    that "religion of peace".
     
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    Islam teaches that Jesus was without sin and the "purest of the prophets"...
     
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    Are you talking about the 60,000 hadiths that were written up to 250 years after the death of Muhammed??

    Do you now speak for Muslims? I had no idea that you knew as much about Islam and what Muslims think as you do about Christianity and what Christians think..
     
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    Here's a clue for you. Get a pen and some blank paper. Get a hard copy of the Bible and open it up to Exodus chapter 19 and start reading all the way through Exodus chapter 34. Take your pen and write down comprehensive summaries from each chapter. As you start chapter 20 you will see that the laws through verse 17 do not say anything about them being written on stone tables.

    As you continue your reading and summarizing what you have written you will see that Moses made a couple of forty day and night trips to the mountain to talk with the God character as in Exodus 24:18.

    When you get to Exodus 31:18 you will read that God gave Moses the two stone tablets with the Ten Commandments on them. Therefore they couldn't have been the rules listed in Exodus 20:1-17,

    In Exodus chapter 32 the people go nutty because they haven't had a deity while Moses was gone so they demand that Aaron make them one to worship. God gets ticked off and wants to kill all of them but Moses calms him down and God repents. Moses then goes down to crowd, he gets ticked off, and his band of thugs kill over 3,000 men. Too bad God didn't calm Moses down.

    In Exodus 32:15-19 it says that Moses had the very stone tablets in his hands that God had written all by himself and because he was so ticked off he threw them down and broke them.

    In chapter 33 Moses and the survivors go into a funk. Although Moses and God had previously spoken face-to-face in chapter 33:11 by verse 20 it says that no man can see God's face and live. Did God look like Medusa?

    Exodus chapter 34 is the big one because we finally learn what was on the stone tablets that Moses broke.

    God can write but he can't or won't cut stone tablets. So he tells Moses to get busy
    and start chipping. Moses does his job and trudges off to Mount Sinai where God likes to hang out. God them starts off in verse 10-27 with his Ten Commandments. It also says in verse 28 that these are the damn Ten Commandments. This time God made Moses do the writing and it took the usual forty days and forty nights without food or water to get her done.

    You will notice that they are highly ethnocentric and focused on the Jews. They don't contain one word about loving your neighbor or honoring your parents. They don't say that you shouldn't kill or steal. What they do say is to be a religious bigot, don't make friends with people who aren't like you, don't make idols, redeem the firstborn of a donkey by sacrificing a lamb, and buy back your first born sons. You had better show up at worship services with something to put in the collection plate. Observe the agricultural festivals. Eat unleavened bread seven days during the month of Abib. Show up before the God of Israel three times a year. Don't leave any leftovers from the Passover feast. Give the first fruits of your labor to God. And never, ever, boil a young goat in its mother's milk.

    And that, children, is the story of the Ten Commandments.
     
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    The amazing thing is that everyone knows and acknowledges that the hadiths were written hundreds of years after Mohammed supposedly bit the dust. But for some strange reason some of those people believe that what the characters said is true instead of fiction.
     
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    Fantastic! that actually made the bible worth hearing :)

    Meantime, I have a question. Omni-everything plus 'god is eternal and unchanging' means no mind-changing. least of all because some human suggested it. Yet in this story moses gets god to change his mind about killing everyone. What amazes me ... eternally .... is that this so patently HUMAN work is believed. If god sent down a single, small and mysterious orb, which pulsated light and changed reality when handled, it would have more authenticity than a thousand bibles.
     

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