Republicans Weigh Government Shutdown to Stop Obama on Amnesty

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  1. Bisquit

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    Clevon Little illustrating the right wing strategy on the shutdown. I'm not sure the country will fall for it like these townspeople did.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_JOGmXpe5I
     
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    And three times, now, I've explained a SPECIFIC way the President could act by executive action....telling the 12,000 immigratio agents to go to "deferred action" on children immigrants.

    And three times, you've been unable to show a means by which the GOP could stop him...EXCEPT to totally de-fund the ENTIRE CIS budget....which we both know they wouldn't or even couldn't do.

    You simply can't accept an ugly truth....the GOP can't stop Obama without doing two things they have SCREAMED that they WON'T do......Government Shutdown or impeachment.

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    See above. Name something SPECIFIC the GOP can cut? Would they cut the ENTIRE CIS budget to stop "deferred action"?

    Asking you....how did the LAST Government Shutdown (Oct. 2013) work out for the GOP....did they "win" and de-fund Obamacare? How were their polls during the Shutdown?

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    Heard the SAME THING in the Summer and Fall of 2013..

    "The American people HATE Obamacare....they'll support Republicans funding everything but Obamacare.....if the Government gets shutdown, they'll blame only Obama and the Democrats!!!"

    And likely you heard that then....from the same pundits and news sources...you're hearing it from now.

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    Jim the Waco Kid describing the Right-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg
     
  3. Professor Peabody

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    Already did!

    You'll need to ask Obama when he shuts down the Government by vetoing the republican budget.
     
  4. Whaler17

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    I hope they get it!
     
  5. Gorn Captain

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    Just like back in October 2013, huh? When the GOP got Obamacare de-funded and the American people loved them for it? Right?

    :)

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    So you're "hoping" for "change"?

    :)
     
  6. Whaler17

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    The American people have been hoping for that for 6+ years now. ;)
    Guess you missed the results of that election a few weeks ago.
     
  7. jackdog

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    oh they will just wait until January then shut down the areas that Obama need to facilitate his amnesty, I would bet that the EPA is going to get a smack down then also

    First, the GOP response to Obama's anticipated order. The only thing Republicans will do in the lame duck session — that is, before they take control of the Senate, and keep control of the House, in January — is to make sure a short-term government funding bill is passed by the time the current one expires on Dec. 11.

    Then in January, with the GOP in control — and, presumably, Obama's edict in hand — Republicans will work on crafting a new spending measure that funds the entire government, with the exception of the particular federal offices that will do the specific work of enforcing Obama's order.


    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/government-shutdown-gop-has-a-better-strategy/article/2556286

    Obama better start working with the GOP if he is going to salvage anything at all for his legacy which so far is nothing more than he has surpassed Jimmy Carter as being the worst President in modern times. Oh and the biggest liar of all time. Not exactly a legacy I would want
     
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    It's just about time for them to whack the economy again. Consumer confidence has almost recovered from the pummelling it took from the last Repbulican Govt shut down:

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    GDP growth has averaged over 4% real the last two quarters.

    Can't have the economy doing too well. That might help Obama and the Democrats, right?

    So don't be surprised to see them knock it down again.
     
  9. Professor Peabody

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    I already did. If you need something MORE specific, then you need to ask your elected representative.

    Obama will find out if he veto's the republican's budget proposal.
     
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    why exactly did Boehner kill the bi-partisan immigration bill then?

    As for the economy, perhaps you can point to some economic indicator that isn't greatly improved since Obama took office.

    Unemployment is below 6%.
    the stock market is at record levels.
    gas is cheaper than its been in 8 years.
    interest rates remain ridiculously low.
    the housing market is rapid expanding.
    the deficit keeps going south
    US oil production has reversed a 40 year trend of decline
    Manufacturing recovered faster than other recessions.
    Retail sales have completely recovered and growing strongly.


    republicans continually whinge about how lousy the economy is yet, even when the evidence stares them in the face that the economy isn't the basketcase they'd like to believe it is, the simply regurgitated the partisan mantra.
     
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    I can tell you for sure that there are border patrol agents all over the landscape. I see more border patrol agents than city and county cops these days. They are thicker'n flies.
     
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    After January 20th.
     
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    It isn't in Obama's job description to sign goofy budgets, but here's what I understand: 28%.
     
  14. Professor Peabody

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    [​IMG]

    Yea, a handful of tenths above the next recession is just killer growth.
     
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    Sounds like a smart political play for the Republicans. Do it! hehe
     
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    So

    1. You don't know.

    2. Same as October of 2013, huh?
     
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    well at least you recognize they have been trying to blow up policy as opposed to doing their jobs.
     
  18. Gorn Captain

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    I've often mentioned the Rightwing "memory hole" (as Orwell noted in "1984")...how they can flush entire portions of HISTORY down it.....forget it ever happened....even DENY that it ever happened....and be convinced to support the SAME IDENTICAL action...and be told the results will be different. (Remember the definition of "insanity")

    Under the tutelege of Rightwing Media hosts....they are convinced that October 2013 never happened....not even that somehow the GOP "won" back then....but that it never even occurred or certainly "Won't happen NEXT time...everything's different now...we promise!"

    Part of it is the duplicity of those Rightwing hosts....they don't care if a Government Shutdown blows up in the faces of the Republicans (a goal Democrats certainly share).....it makes for good ratings for them.

    But the other part is this "self-imposed amnesia" of their audience....who can be convinced to ignore history and reality.
     
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    The Plan:

    Create massive uncertainty with threats and actual government shutdowns to knock down consumer confidence, which is crucial to robust economic growth:

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    Eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs and enforce austerity to keep wages, spending and demand down:

    Obama
    Federal Spending increase, 2009-2014: -0.53%
    Total government employment, 2009-2014: -540,000

    Reagan
    Federal Spending increase, 1981-1986: +46.0%.
    Total government employment, 1981-1986: +879,000

    Bush
    Federal Spending increase, 2001-2006: +42.5%
    Total government employment, 2001-2006: +840,000

    source data
    Expenditures: http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/45249-2014-04-HistoricalBudgetData.xlsx
    Employment: http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cesbtab1.htm

    And then blaaaaaame Obaaaama for the struggling economy and count of the sheeple being too stupid to know what's going on.

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    The Republican plan. And it's worked like a charm, which is why they and their acolytes are still going at it.
     
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    "Let me make it clear...There will be no government shutdowns and no default of the national debt."

    ----Senator Mitch McConnell IR-KY), next Senate Majority Leader.

    Everything else is just pandering from House Republicans and other assorted crazies.....and TYPING on blogs from rightwingers listening to too much Fox and Talk Radio.
     
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    You don't say ?
     
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    Personally, I'm hoping they crash the markets, downgrade our credit rating to C++, and eventually cause widespread looting.
     
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    Most of that is in-spite of President Downgrade, not because of him.

    And gas is not cheaper now than in the past 8 years.
     
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    :nana:Well it looks like its been shout down for the past 6 years. Whats the big deal?
     
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    :alcoholic:Do we think you are Stupid? Why don't you ask Gruber. I bet he's holding that one in for awhile before he lets it out.
     

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