Arctic Is Warming Twice As Fast As World Average

Given the enormity of climate change for a host of reasons over the time the Earth has existed why limit yourself to a very tiny fraction of that total time and total change?

"Is it true that CO2 levels lag temperature increases? Doesn't that imply that there are more living things exhaling?"

I have seen graphs that I interpret to show that that temperatures rise first. When it gets warmer more animals are alive to exhale CO2. Plants use the CO2 as part of their process to create their own food. They "exhale" the incredibly poisonous gas, oxygen.

"If CO2 lags temperature changes why are you certain that this time temperatures increased because of increased CO2?"

Do you mean given that I am right your theory makes no sense?

"Will you round up all undesirables and kill. them in order to reduce CO2 levels?"

With every exhalation you put CO2 into the atmosphere. To have less CO2 how many billions of people and billions of animals will you have to slaughter?

"Why do you believe a warmer planet is not a very good thing?"

And yet in the past as the temperatures rose we had more life in more places. You have a model and a belief system. It is the political subjugation that arouses you, isn't it?
"And now back to my original question to you, who, in your opinion, is arguing that the climate does not change?"

I will take this as a total retraction of your strawman argument that deniers were arguing that climate does not change.

In my opinion this is another lie. Everything makes a difference.

And, in my opinion this is yet another lie the enviro-Nazis repeat over and over and over. You admitted earlier that you discounted all of Earth's history so you could focus on just this tiny sliver of time that may, or may not, support your desires for political subjugation of the entire world's populace. Is it any wonder that honest, thinking people will distrust you?

We do agree it is logically stupid but it is your story.

 

What is this "conservative " government you speak of. Where can I find such a marvel? Can you give me an example of a government that is not authoritarian statist? Are there any governments anywhere that have, as their primary motivation the protection and furtherance of individual liberty and individual freedom?

I can think of none.

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How will you create this Utopia of yours?

Why do you believe that there is a problem to be solved? Perhaps it is an opportunity.

 

This is what I'm asking cassandrabanana.

 

Because humans have only existed for a short time, and are changing the atmospheric composition rapidly during an even shorter period of time. You sound like the guy saying "given the enormity of time between boxing bouts, why limit ourselves to the small fraction of time it took for the right to the jaw to knock the guy out? What's so special about that particular time?"

Yes. In laboratory tests, adding CO2 precedes the temperature increases. You may be thinking of Asimov's famous thiotimoline?

This is a waste of time. The CO2 is from burning fossil fuels, not from exhaling. Come back when you know anything whatsoever.

 

Even after rereading your message this intent is not clear.

 

"Given the enormity of climate change for a host of reasons over the time the Earth has existed why limit yourself to a very tiny fraction of that total time and total change?"

It is clear to me that you have your theory and desires for political subjugation. And that is all you need.
"Do you mean given that I am right your theory makes no sense?"

While in the real world the rise of CO2 followed temperature increases.

"Will you round up all undesirables and kill them in order to reduce CO2 levels?"

With every exhalation you put CO2 into the atmosphere. To have less CO2 how many billions of people and billions of animals will you have to slaughter?"

So you are denying that people and other animals exhale CO2?
Come back when you know anything whatsoever.

 

So you don't know squat, and you have no desire to learn anything either. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

I know plenty. I know that you have a theory and a political desire. For the True Believer nothing else matters.

 

Rather than argue back and forth about something, I would be more interested in what's to be done about it. I suspect nothing can be done whether it's true or not.

 

If it is not a problem then simply enjoy it as you would any other change.

I prefer the milder winters. I have not yet had to shovel snow so I could get down my 225 foot steep driveway.

 

A very long time ago when I was in the Army there was a popular saying, "You don't know jack (*)(*)(*)(*)!" One particularly enterprising Lieutenant had a couple of dozen T-Shirts printed up that he sold for a nice profit.. " I KNOW Jack (*)(*)(*)(*)!"

Knowing or not knowing squat is probably in the same category.

 

The weather hasn't changed here at all. I do enjoy it, very much.

PS What is snow?

 

Nobody is suggesting that this is not a global problem, but shouldn't those who caused the problem take the lead in correcting it?

 

That would appear to be mostly the industrialized nations of the Southern Hemisphere, three areas over the oceanic subsurface volcanoes, and possibly China.

 

America was nearly able to meet the Kyoto targets for carbon emissions without any legislative action. Imagine what we could have done if we worked together. I still remember back when CFC's were banned to address ozone depletion, and how naysayers were predicting the end of air conditioning and hairsprays and how bad this would be for America's economy. Not only did we eliminate CFCs without destroying the country, but we created a whole new industry around CFC replacements. Instead of looking at AGW as a problem, why not look at it as an opportunity to improve our environment and grow the economy at the same time?

 

Broken window fallacy. One of the reasons mfg left the country, they could no longer afford to operate in this country because of legislation like the CFC legislation.

 

It's not a fallacy if the window actually is broken.

Manufacturing started leaving the country long before any CFC legislation. And now that the rest of the world is catching up with America's standard of living, they're starting to come back.

 

China, India, Brazil don't seem to care about it. Not that anybody is suggesting they should take the lead in correcting it.

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Sure. Have at it.

 

China will have a much harder time meeting their new goal of capping emissions by 2030, while America just has to maintain the current trend. India and Brazil might get on board if someone would step up and lead. Their emissions are not the immediate problem anyway.

 

So it's a fix. Everyone can stop worrying about a problem that may or may not exist.

 

Sheesh! What part of "average" do you not get???

I looked up this image to see what the original piece said

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30399073

Going to be interesting to see more data

 

Average is a construct of man and really does not tell anyone where CO2 comes from.

Here is what people like you never catch in statements like this, 'probably', 'likely', in other words, 'not known'. She also does not state why there are concentrations over the oceans above the volcanic rifts. Yes, it will be interesting to find out why most of the CO2 is appearing over the ocean in the least industrialized countries.

 

As you demonstrate. For your political desire to be true, causes would have to FOLLOW effects. But that doesn't bother you. Nothing bothers the True Believer.

 

I forsee some very nice new beachfront property. FY!

 

That's probably not a good idea.

There is no evidence that LESS anthropogenic CO2 is a good idea.