Why do they let birthers keep going with Obama's Birth Certificate?

Nobody I know has made that claim. You are really demonstrating a lack of knowledge of the issue with statements like that. You should watch this:

[video=youtube;BLW9pK1p4KM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLW9pK1p4KM[/video]​

 

Here's some really good stuff here:

 

Would Step Father Imply amarraige in anyway?

 

It's simple for you you seem to know the legal stuff, I know the constitution provides for who could even be president
thirty five and natural born or something likethat.

 

...or something like that. It's all in Article II Section1 if you want to read it.

 

What is a natural born citizen? Where did the framers come up with this term? Where was it used before? So many questions, and the answers are right there if anyone wishes to search out the truth.

The term Natural born Citizen appears in our Constitution, in Article 1, Section 2, with these words, “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”

Before the Constitution the closest reference we have to Natural Born Citizen is from the legal treatise “the Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. In book one chapter 19,

§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, ornatural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

 

I guess you enjoy your ignorance since this has been addressed in links I provided. You are clearly not interested in facts.

 

I've proven your claim a lie

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Proven your claim a lie.

 

Proven lie

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Proven lie

 

Nope. Anyone born on US soil is a natural born citizen. Their parents could be Martian. It's irrelevant.

 

Ironically- he hasn't fought to keep his birth certificate out of the courts at all- most likely because no one cares what Birthers think.

 

Nowhere in the 1758 version of Law of Nations does it mention Natural born citizen.

The first time an English translation of the Law of Nations mentions "Natural Born Citizen" is after the Constitution was written.

Just another Birther invention- Birthers invented the claim that NBC required 2 citizen parents and did so just because Barack Obama was running for President.

 

Birthers do love their former used car salesmen and conmen.

 

Fascinating imagination you have. Not one piece of evidence to support it- but fascinating.

Funny you should mention Texas and Eisenhower though.

Eisenhower didn't get a birth certificate until he ran for President- one didn't exist.

According to his brother, Eisenhower was born in South Texas- which you say was 'knee deep in accepting fraudulant reports in 1958......and Eisenhower's birth certificate was issued in.....1952.....

Yet no one created fantasies like yours- even though Eisenhower's mom could have taken a train into Mexico- for some unexplained bizarre reason- much easier than Stanley Ann Dunham could have traveled to Kenya- and the only one certifying Eisenhower's birth in the United States was his brother- who was 2 years old when he was born.

 

Birthers can claim anything- doesn't mean its proof of anything.

Other than the particular mindset of the Birthers.

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Birthers do love Youtube.....

 

Birthers can't even come up with a coherent version of what they are claiming.

Best I can tell Zullo is saying that he believes that the birth certificate is a fraud- but that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Of course the question is why the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department has not asked for a certified copy of the birth certificate to examine- but instead relies upon third party, self identified experts, looking at online versions of a document that they have never seen.

It is almost like they don't want to look at a certified photocopy.

 

I am interested in facts. Perhaps you can explain to me how the Cold Case Posse experts could run 1,200 tests using the software which your links assumes is the explanation for the anomalies and could not duplicate the layers or the mixture of pixelation patterns on the PFD on the White House website. Do you know of any expert that has run such tests, and did they come out with mixed pixels and vital information such as important dates, stamps and signatures broken into separate layers?

Do you know any experts who can explain why the Obama birth certificate seems to be the only Hawaiian issued birth certificate ever issued in which the margins and the typed text characters do not line up? Can any of them explain why the fonts don't match? Can they explain how some fonts match exactly?

Can they explain why it is has a security paper background like a short form birth certificate when it should just be a single layer photocopy of the original? Can they explain why the term "African" is used to describe race, when Africa is a continent with many races, and Hawaii use the term "negro" for blacks? Can they explain why the "Non" in "None" is on a separate layer?

How is it they did not rule out OCR immediately? There is no text layers in the document, yet your link blames OCR technology. The use of optimizers has also been ruled out by all the experts.

 

It's not my claim, it is proof offered by experts. Even a leading professional Certified Document Examiner, Reed Hayes CDE, who has more than 20 years experience said it was a fraud. Not one CDE has ever said it is authentic.

 

That's not exactly true. They have avoided having it submitted as evidence by refusing to endorse its authenticity:

 

And we're right back to the character assassinations and ad hominem attacks. Because you cannot refute one single thing I have posted, nor can you provide an expert willing to attest to the authenticity of the BC, you have to try to discredit the messenger. Nobody has challenged what the posse has found.

 

Don't watch the videos [MENTION=51163]SFJEFF[/MENTION] because if you do, you will see what it is all about and then you will understand and will have to explain to your friends why you are now a birther too.

 

It's not all in there.They left a loose thread by not defining natural born. There are no legal precedents.

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Like Dr. Pepper !

 

That is all they have to challenge the facts, 'kill the messenger'.

There have been two lawsuits I remember specifically that the judge decided against moving forward, one judge was intensely interested in resolving the claims of fraud and they changed their mind only hours or days before discovery was to take place. To date no case has even had discovery prior to a hearing, a very unusual situation.

The one suit that reached SCOTUS was not taken, on the 5 judge panel who made that decision were the two judges Obama had appointed and were confirmed by a Democrat Senate. Had that case been heard and ruled in favor of the plaintiff, the two Supreme Court Judges would have to step down, so the conflict of interest was clear but ignored.

In the court martial of Col. Terry Lakin, M.D., a decorated combat veteran with two tours in OEF, the military judges would not permit Dr. Lakin's attorney to present any evidence in his defense. His "crime" was he had requested confirmation from his chain of command up to and including the Secretary of Defense and Congress of Obama's legitimacy to hold the office, as the colonel is sworn to do under the strict definition in the UCMJ. (all officers take an oath to guard against usurpation of the office of commander-in-chief).

This 'bloodless coup' has teeth terrorizing elected and appointed officials at all levels and with a political conspirator as the chief law enforcement officer, it is unlikely this will be resolved until and if true American patriots ever wrest power from the Marxist coup. Then there exists the potential to nullify all treaties, laws, rules and executive orders signed by the usurper.

 

There is legal precedent and historical documents defining NBC and why 'citizen' was replaced with 'natural born citizen' in the drafts prior to being signed and ratified.

 

LOLOL.. Yep.. Obama was born in Hawaii, but his BC is forged.. Does it get any nuttier?