Why do they let birthers keep going with Obama's Birth Certificate?

NATURAL BORN citizen can not be legislated or deemed to be a citizen, it must be natural. Is English your first language?

It stated she was a citizen, that is all.

 

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Citizenship, all forms of citizenship, is legislated.

Specifically stated she was a natural norn citizen.

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Lol, youtube.

 

there is evidence that it is a computer generated PDF file. And there is evidence from public officials from a sovereign state that says that the image represents a document that is true and authentic.

 

it stated she was a natural born citizen. The Chief Justice of SCOTUS said that. Those exact words. Natural born citizen. Just like you called me a liar for suggesting that such a ruling existed. You STILL have not come across with your supposed quotation from a SCOTUS majority decision that would suggest that a natural born citizen exclusively requires citizens as parents. MOD EDIT - Rule 3

 

He did not say she was a natural born citizen, if you read the complete opinion. One can ONLY be a "natural" anything by nature, not by fiat, Senate Resolutions, court degrees or law.

The Constitution does not .., say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere ... .. it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves... natural-born citizens,..CHIEF JUSTICE WAITE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES 88 U.S. 162; 21 Wall. 162

 

au contraire. He says precisely and exactly that she is a natural born citizen.

Your quote from Waite is not part of any SCOTUS ruling that would suggest that Obama was not a natural born citizen. When will you just realize that you are wrong? You're wrong about your silly yellow paragraph which you cowardly won't discuss, you're wrong when you called me a liar for saying that the SCOTUS decision I quoted did not say "natural born citizen". You are wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong. and a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing coward for not being man enough to admit it.

 

and I agree. If you are natural born, you are. If not, nothing can change that after the fact. Obama was. He was born in Hawaii. That very fact, and the fact that he was not the child of a diplomat, makes him a natural born citizen. Nothing in law says otherwise. Nothing.

 

again:

Fifth.-The cross petition of Miss Elg, upon which certiorari was granted in No. 455, is addressed to the part of the decree below which dismissed the bill of complaint as against the Secretary of State. The dismissal was upon the ground that the court would not undertake by mandamus to compel the issuance of a passport or control by means of a declaratory judgment the discretion of the Secretary of State. But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."

what part of the bolded sentence are you having a problem comprehending?

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and when are you ever gonna grow a set of testicles and admit that your stupid yellow highlighted paragraph proves My assertion and not yours? Really!!!

Nutless. Totally nutless.

 

He did not state she was a natural born citizen because she was not.

Waits quote is the majority opinion (dicta) which is the reason the judiciary decided as they had.

You never answered where you earned your juris doctor.

 

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875) decision First, they argue that the definition of a “natural-born citizen” given by the Court is dicta and therefore not binding precedent. But they are wrong. In Minor, the U.S. Supreme Court had to decide whether Virginia Minor, a woman, was a “citizen” in order to determine whether as a “citizen” she enjoyed a constitutional right to vote under the privileges and immunities clause of Article IV. So the Court reasoned that once she was shown to be a “citizen,” it did not matter that she was a woman, unless Missouri could still disqualify a woman from voting because being a “citizen” did not guarantee any person the right to vote. It does not matter whether the Court chose to say that Minor was a “natural born Citizen” or just a “citizen.” Either way, Virginia Minor would advance to the next step in the analysis which was whether as a “citizen” she had the right to vote which Missouri could not abrogate. The Court chose the “natural-born citizen” path. It thoroughly analyzed and considered what a “natural-born citizen” was and after saying that it is a child born in the country to citizen parents, found that Virginia Minor was a “natural-born citizen” and therefore also a “citizen.” After the Court told us what a “natural-born citizen” was, it then made the comment about there being doubts as to whether a child born in the country to alien parents was even a “citizen.” The Court said that it was not necessary for it to decide that question and it did not because Virginia Minor was a “natural-born citizen” which necessarily also made her a “citizen.” So the focus of the Court’s decision regarding citizenship was in defining who the “original citizens” and the “natural-born citizens” were.

 

what does the bolded sentence from post 3534 say?

What Supreme Court Case is Waits' quote the majority opinion from?

and I do not have my JD. I have an MBA. My father had a JD and was a distinguished defense attorney in Illinois, and my daughter has her JD and is an Assistant District Attorney in Maine. And which Burger King are you the fry guy at?

 

Again...rather than quote the actual supreme court opinion, you quote someone's opinion of what it meant.

What was actually said in this case - which was a case about women's suffrage, by the way - was this:

"Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. "

Ergo, those doubts have NOT been solved by any SCOTUS majority decision. Good Lord, your reading comprehension is not much above the Dick and Jane level, it would seem.

 

when will you EVER comment on the COLON after the phrase "natural born citizens" and discuss what that means in terms of English grammar? Are you THAT big of a coward?????

 

You don't know the difference between certification and authentication.

I am not impressed or convinced.

No, my sincere opinion.

I do not lie, and you have not refuted any of the evidence I have provided, nor supplied me with any expert certified document examiner testaments as to the veracity of the fraudulent computer-generated birth certificate posted on the White House website. Claiming something is a lie without any evidence to back up that claim is a very weak argument strategy.

I posted evidence that the investigation team called officials and asked them to verify the fraudulent computer-generated birth certificate which is posted on the White House website was indeed a copy of a birth certificate on file with the State of Hawaii and the official refused to confirm it. To my knowledge, no official from Hawaii has ever said that the copy was the same as the one they have seen in the files. You all keep making these statements and can't back them up with facts or evidence.

 

You are not quoting a court decision. And minor v happersett was not a citizenship case, does not define natural born citizen or support your made up definition.

How many times do you need proven wrong?

 

There is no difference.

Couldn't care less. You remain proven wrong all the same.

Which is a deliberate and proven lie.

I've proven you have.

Proven lie.

Which is why ive repeatedly proven you are lying.

Which is a lie.

Another lie. I've repeatedly shown you their official statement doing just that.

 

So you could not hack law school and settled for a business degree and must be unemployed, sitting on a computer forum all day long. Are you still living at home getting an allowance from dear old dad? But that's okay, some folks don't have the tenacity to achieve.

Very elitist of you to disparage folks working at fast food restaurants. Typical of leftist/ Progressive Democrat Obama supporters.

Since you have such distinguished officers of the court on speed dial, (you do have a cell phone, right?) ask them about the cases the dicta is from and the original meaning of the legal term of art. If they side with the Obomatrons, then I have zero respect for their legal understanding of SCOTUS precedent.

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The reference is signed and author noted

 

Graduated from Annapolis. Retired from the navy after 21 years of commissioned service. went back to school. got my MBA... went to work in the power industry after a short stint as a political staffer... retired from that as well... finished my work life as a UCC minister for a few years of interim service... now, retired and living in Mexico. My Dad is long dead, and my wife and I live in a lovely home and spend our time traveling the world.

did I really get it right on the first try? I was torn between fry cook and school janitor.

I would never bother my daughter with silly stuff like this. I am still waiting for you to show me the supreme court majority opinion that would indicate that, to be a natural born citizen, it was a requirement to have both parents be citizens as well. Are you EVER going to deliver that?

your post #536 has no link and no author noted. Why can't you just post the SCOTUS majority opinion if it exists?

And when will you EVER comment on your cute little yellow paragraph?

 

Am I reading this right? (Abovesample) Did she sign Soetero?

 

she WAS married to the guy for a while, ya know.

 

It really is remarkable.

 

LTC? There are none of those in the Navy.... I would have thought you would have known that.

I have not abandoned my American citizenship and have every expectation of returning to the Eastern Seaboard when grandchildren start showing up there. It is MY white house just as much as it is yours.

And again, the quote from Minor makes it quite clear that the court did NOT preclude citizens with foreign parents from being considered Natural Born Citizens. No SCOTUS ruling has EVER stated that a natural born citizen MUST be from citizen parents.

Still silent about the yellow paragraph, I see. Your silence there - after posting it and calling me an idiot for not misreading it as stupidly as YOU did - speaks volumes about your integrity, from my perspective.

 

But no Adoption, was his sister adopted?
This seems to be the opposite number of the Birther Report website. Wow I had know idea what a GIANT subject this is.