Shooting in the HQ of Charlie Hebdo

You think it will be less if the gauls start crusade against every guy who tells "Allahu akbar" all over the world?

Muslims as a group are impossible to defeat. They need a good alternative. The problem is that if they don't have such an alternative in their native countries - they will not be thankful to EU as well.

I am very afraid that this is just a provocation of France and Germany to take active part in the massacre in the middle east. There are plenty of dictators in the countries rich of oil. Each will take about 100 000 lives of young european soldiers. And with every death the escalation would only increase.

Look. The cheap oil for the moment makes countries to refuse of large projects for more expensive oil. These projects were started not because it was a despotic will but because there was (and still is) a growing demand and the high price for oil made it possible. So the oil was calculated to be used. That means that once current oil finishes (Physically in the ground where it is produced for the moment) there will be no time and needed quantity of oil for european demands. Russia as it is prescribed to think now is despotic and doesn't deserve to trade with. ISIS frows popular among the young muslims all over the world (including Europe). The big war will empty the EU and make it bankrupt. We had about the same in Russia in the 90s. But the level of living was not that high and the drop was not that dramatic..

 

The website had gone black

http://www.charliehebdo.fr/index.html

replaced with

http://www.charliehebdo.fr/20150107171028368.pdf

Frankly disturbed by an Irish Islamic leader saying that he would seek legal advice if he saw any Irish journalists retweeting the images and pointing to our laws criminalising blasphemy.

 

Therein lies the problem with blasphemy and hate speech laws and why we don't have them here in the United States.

That Islamic leader may give you reason to reconsider those archaic, rights-repressive laws.

 

I've never been supportive of the criminalisation of blasphemy, I have from its inception (2007) opposed it as archaic and am disgusted that countries like Pakistan defend their blasphemy statutes by pointing to Ireland recent decision to criminalise it.

 

Respect is EARNED.

The islamic community knows who the killers are.

If the islamic community wants respect, bring the terrorists' dead bodies to the flics.

 

This is a tragedy to one of our longest-standing allies. It's not often I agree with Obama, but I think we should offer all resources in the area to assist the French in this investigation.

 

Gunmen who stormed
Charlie Hebdo offices, killing 12, have reportedly been arrested

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/01/...rid7|htmlws-main-bb|dl1|sec1_lnk3&pLid=594910

 

Conflicting reports but clearly a major security operation underway.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jan/07/shooting-paris-satirical-magazine-charlie-hebdo

Thats been conflicted by later reports. There is a major security operation underway.

 

I agree with the bolded, but I wish you'd apply your own logic to gay people. You apparently have a bone to pick with them.

 

So twitter ( I know) now saying one dead and two arrested. So good job french police!

EDIT Still nothing on France 24 or BBC

 

If you think that something else then what Fox News tells is a conspiracy theory don't read anything below for your feelings and beliefs can be wounded.

I have been thinking about today's massacre for a couple of hours collecting information about the tragedy.

1. If the murder is done by looneys and fanatics, who are so religious that any caricature for Muhammad makes them go berserk. If it is so then we have to believe that any fanatic in France, in Paris, can kill anyone, who is not just an ordinary man, but is an institution which is under the special guard of police. We need to believe that Paris is a third world country in terms of safety and its police is not able to stop the car in a megapolis after a definite and reported shooting.
I don't believe that french policemen are unqualified cowards. I don't think that such fanatics made an unprepared assault on a guarded area. it's too complicated for a fanatic. First you need to get automatic weapons and go unseen through all the secret services, get to the destination place in one of the biggest city in the world, kill 12 people and several policemen without having been killed yourself and leave the crime place unidentified and unpunished. Those who believe it have their opinion. I believe that the assault needed a lot of preparation and was performed by one of the best specialists in the world. I believe that they knew who was guarding, they knew the time when the guys from Chalie were inside and they knew the way and the time they have to drive from the site. It's a tough task. Lots of terrorists and professional terrorists failed with much easier tasks. For instance not even a month ago there was a shooting in Grozny, Chechnya, Russia. The terrorists were first stopped by road policemen who tried to stop the car and at a price of several victims made the terrorists to block themselves in house of press. Then the spec ops came and after a short negotiations these terrorists were terminated. I mean it happened accidentally and luckily before terrorists performed their mission. The terrorists attacking were well prepared and trained.
We can look at recent examples in Canada. The unprofessionalism of police there is screaming. But anyway even once noone really expected it the attackers were blocked and shot. Although there was an information that the attacker had a military past. Now police in Paris had a big advantage over the recent terrorist attacks. They knew that the attack is possible and they had their time to get ready. The secret service of France stays alert because of ISIS, which means that these guys couldn't been taken unprepared. I don't think that the whole police parisien can be so lousy in order to act poorer against a group of fanatics.
Also another short observation. The bullet traces in the window of the police car


If you ever shot from an automatic weapon you know the power of recoil. it is damn difficult to hold the weapon straight while shooting and the attackers obviously had plenty of time to make expensive shots from an expensive weapons. First shots went to the driver and the second target reacted leaning forward and creating a threat for the terrorist. So you see that three bullets were enough for the driver and the killer really made wure that the second guy is killed and is of no threat. For me as this is a signature of high training and readiness to shoot at the police.

2. After the conclusion in the item 1. I have to think that the assault was well-prepared. that the attackers were professionals and the terror attack is ordered act from the guys with money, power and interests. This already makes a question.
Why the hell did the professional killers scream about the prophet Muhammad and revenge? Are they nuts? Do they want to be caught?

3. But that is a detail. If we accept that the murder is ordered and politically motivated we need to answer who the hell ordered it. Who could benefit from it? ISIS? Guys, seriously. They had a zero reason to attack the media on such a moment. Look yourself.
- The US has been trying to get a serious military involvance of EU into the wonderfully set middle east war for about a year. If not more (before ISIS there was an attempt with Assad but he wasn't that tempting for europeans). For now in the place of ISIS any manager with some guts would pray to Muhammad, Christ, Allah and Zeus just in order to keep the status quo. The least ISIS needs for the moment is a provocation of EU to strike.
- OK. Let's imagine that ISIS leaders are thinking of their PR among muslims more then about survival. let's imagine that they did it to please muslims all over the world. But the ALIVE 'chalie' was much better for ISIS. These guys would say 'Hey! These gyaurs are constantly insulting our holy ideas! Go get to our place and we will teach you how to kill them!" What do they get now? Now the popularity of ISIS among young western muslims will drop. because the only attractive feature is romantic life of revolutianary and the life of killer is something different. Besides, it is much easier to dream of cutting throats of your enemies sitting in front of a display. But cutting a throat of a real man is much more difficult.
- Let's imagine that ISIS did order the murder against its vital interests and PR just in order to escalate the hostility in the region of middle east, expand to muslim part of north Africa and reconquer some part of Europe temporarily hold by europeans for a couple of hundreds years. But there was a recent news that the actual guy who cut the throats of americans for the TV was executed for a felony! That means that ISIS is not organised as a bunch of empty head murderers. They are highly organised and much better then armies of those western countries who didn't convict their soldiers for making much worse crimes against peaceful citizens in the occupied territory. An army of rapists cannot be stronger than the army of guys with strong beliegs and discipline. it is not the technology which is the backbone of the army. Its backbone is discipline...

For now I would leave these self denying suppositions.

3. The media. My God! They are already blaming all the muslims. Sunni or shiite? No difference for current propaganda. Who is the murder? Muslims and Islam. This is what newspapers say.
What would say a newspaper in a free country with respect to human rights and liberties. They should say about the right of life. They should say about the preciousness of human life in Islam itself. They must use the story in order to set peace with muslims of France and its commonwealth of former colonies which is in majority... muslim. it's f''''ng France's vital interest to live in a civil peace. I mean it! That is what the media is made for! To keep the nation together! The other aim is the aim of enemy propaganda!!! But the media acts exactly as such.

Moreover. The people of Paris are shocked. They haven't seen the blood and death so near before yesterday. They don't come into the streets... But the show needs a crowd of people and civil unity in the holy crusade against Islam. And what does the trade union of journalists do? It calls for its members to go to manifestations collecting about 35 000 people... I mean Putin was recently blamed for organising meetings showing his support in russian society. But putin has an obvious excuse. He is believed to be a dictator. But the independent media has no right to make a show instead of people's real activity. Do I say that no parisien has come to the streets by himslef? No. But the organising of a meeting is just a fact.
Again. I read french press. The actual propaganda is not against ISIS. it's against muslims. Propaganda makes no difference.

So let's collect now the facts we know together in order to see the real picture.
1. The assault is made by terrorists who are better equipped and trained then police of France. So the group who did it should be more powerful then french government.
2. ISIS is provoked to be attacked by EU instead of its vital interests to stay as much as possible outside the reach of strong armies. So it is either ready to defend itself against the EU or is forced to act against its own interests.
3. Media is performing a disgusting propaganda on the blood of the fresh blood of their colleagues provoking civil war and the big war in former french colonies. So whoever ordered it controls the media and pays them their bloody money.

Who that can be? Do I really need to say that?

What could be the reason for such a stupid and bloody crime which demands so much resources? Let's think.
The price for oil has dropped to a price which is less then the price of extraction in quite a lot of countries. Even Saudi Arabia has a budget with a deficit (acceptable though). This forces the big companies to shut or postpone the opening of new big oilfields. What was the reason to come to these oilfields then? It was a growing demand (from China mainly) and a natural exhaust of oil which is no longer made at our planet and wasn't discovered in our closest surroundings. All the oil from big oilfields was planned for the customers in a couple of years. Now the oil which should have been sold in a couple of years wouldn't be extracted. For the moment the drop of price is pretty much artificial. The amount of oil available for the market is more than the demand. True. But what happens in a couple of years, when the market would demand the oil in the quantities of a large scale? Then the demand would exceed the offer.
And the supplis of EU can be expected from 3 sides. A despotic Putin which proved himself in western media as tyrant and a very bad guy who deserves to be overthrown even if these silly russians don't want it. Putin even invaded a european country and is about to invade it even more. So EU obviously shouldn't look for a trade partner there in a couple of years. The second source is these bloody muslims of different kinds who meanly settled in the lands of western oil some centuries ago. If the war (which is there already with a modest participation of EU) continues and ISIS proves itself a decent rival which is able to perform terrorist attacks everywhere and has no center and big boss to be terminated in order to behead the complete organisation? What happens with the war of EU with muslims if ISIS is ISIS and not what propaganda tells of them? Then the only third source will be left...
Nothing personal. Just business. I am sure that the dear price that every european has to pay in couple of years in order to get into car and get to his work in order to work for the army and victory is worthy of the blood of 12 french people, a dozen of thousands of ukrainians a hundred of thousands of arabs and some money paid for a thousand of journalists (or maybe a dozen of editors-in-chief). it's a good business... If you think of it.

PS. At the New year Eve the guys from Chalie asked for a financial help from their readers. The thing is that their jokes didn't pay off... If not this attack and murder the newspaper would be bankrupt by the end of the year at most and everyone would stay alive... But then it would be a lost investment. And for the moment the guys are somewhat written off at an incredible marginal profit... This is exactly the business which only the best buisnessmen in the world can make... if you think of it...