If you want to tick off Muslims, don't expect my sympathy.

Civility in the West can largely look to the legal system for its existence.

Who is commanding these terrorists?

How do those commandments synch up with French law?

 

Not quite. If you go to their country and mock them, or sometimes if you just go to their country, (which I wouldn't do on a bet,) they will jump on you and, yes, I do believe that's a pretty good reason we should stay out of their country, not go to war with them. However, in this case they have come to OUR country and tried to impose their will on US, that really can't be tolerated.

However, what gets to me is how the conservatives are all out polishing off the box cars and seeing where we can put in new ovens for 1.5 BILLION people because TWO GUYS got ahold of automatic weapons. Conservatives today would really make ISIS look like children at play if they ever got be in charge, which makes it really important to most sane people that they NEVER get to be.

 

I could not see your first link...
Regardless, any statement out of our govt should not go past something like "we do not share the opinion of such and such artist but we support his or her right to express it and it is well within their right to do so."

 

This publication was not shoved in anyone's face. No one was forced to view it. Weak minded people could not handle its mere existence.

 

So Mad Magazine is not allowed to offend Islam or the Prophet?

if they do, and they get massacred, its their fault?

so much for freedom.

 

I'm not familiar enough with the history of the French press to really debate this, so I'll stand down on that one. But I do want to point something out to you. In the United States, we have an epidemic of open mockery, contempt, and outright disrespect for Christianity, Christians, and Christian values. Yet our social norms do not allow this of Islam. This is largely due to pervasive leftist double standards, but it is also at least partially due to the fact that everyone knows that Christians are "safe" targets. In other words, you can pretty much say anything you want about them - no matter how vile - and they're not going to do anything to you. Because their savior preaches "turn the other cheek" and that's what they follow. Conversely - as you've just pointed out - everyone knows that Muslims are much more likely to respond with violence if you mock their religion. So then my question to you is two-fold. Where is your criticism of the people who mock Christianity in America? And where is your condemnation for this violent Islamic retaliation? To put it another way, it almost sounds like you're inadvertently suggesting that if Christians behaved more like Muslims, they would get more respect - even if only out of fear. You may not consciously mean that, but that is the subtext. Doesn't that seem a little backwards to you? Shouldn't Muslims be behaving more like Christians instead? Learning to turn the other cheek and be peaceful?

 

So are you claiming that they win, because they kill those that oppose them?

 

The OP is saying this:

"we know that unlike Christians, Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Hindus.....Muslims are to be expected to react with deadly violence if anything not nice is said about their religion. So if you say something bad about their religion and a Muslim cuts your head off, I will show you no sympathy".

 

but the problem with your theory is that by avoiding them you are allowing them to grow bigger, if you give them an inch they will take a mile....lets say that next month a group of pig ball sucking muslims decide to start blowing up grocery stores in France because they sell pork. Should grocery stores in France then stop selling pork because they dont want to "poke the tiger with a stick"? then a month later it will be gay bars...then a month later it will be Christian churches...then a month later it will be...

 

This is why we hunt down and kill dangerous animals, this is why we lock them in cages and put them in zoos so we can watch them for our own personal amusement, this is why we stuff their heads and hang them, mounted on a plaque in our hunting cabins like a trophy...this is what we should do with pig ball sucking muslims.
Farmers have chickens so they can feed their families, if wild coyotes eat the farmers chickens does he decide not to raise chickens and let his family go hungry because he does not want to draw the attention of the coyotes? NO, he waits for the coyotes to come and he kills them, uses their fur to make carpets, and their bloody carcasses to draw in more coyotes so he can kill them as well....this is how we need to treat muslims.
under this scenario your family would be living in a cave eating roots and bark while my family would be living in a cabin with wall to wall fur carpeting eating eggs and chicken croquets every day.

 

Because the murdered cartoonists are victims and you are blaming them for stirring a hornets nest. This is ridiculous. Praise the cartoonists for the courage of their convictions. I'll let Bill Maher explain it to you:
[video=youtube;PioHDGEt6BM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PioHDGEt6BM[/video]

 

Every newspaper in the world should run Chewobvnoainfaenoaw's (stupid French language) cartoons. I hope that everyone posts them on their Facebook page and Twitter and Instagram accounts. I hope that TV news networks show pics of them and I hope that radio shows describe what the cartoons look like. I hope that someone makes T-shirts because if they do and are less than $10 I will buy one and wear it around campus. Islam needs to be put in its place. If they can't learn to coexist with other people then they should be kicked out. Let them wallow in their misery and oppression in the Middle East. Stop trying to spread your misery on the rest of the world............******! THIS BACON I AM EATING NOW IS (*)(*)(*)(*)ING AMAZING!

 

Amazing, you hope for the exact same thing as the extremists who did the killing.

 

If you think that the people who did this were weak minded, and just couldn't stand this, you are wrong. They did this to get recruits. Because they knew the reaction would do their work for them. This is kind of like the Clive Bundy play. Put the Repubs in a position to stand with a man who appears racist, and then let them dig themselves a hole. Put the French in the position to stand in unison with people who can't contribute to society other than drawing people revered by billions in anal positions. Yeah, how's that looking in the eyes of the billion Muslims who were not involved in this incident? I'm so sick of these terrorists playing my fellow citizens like fools...

 

They were identified because one of these "brilliant" individuals left his ID behind. By definition, they are weak minded.

 

If they wanted the paper to print 1 million copies then it would have made more sense to just order multiple subscriptions.

They did what Muslims do in the rest of the world. They throw their violent obnoxious religion in everyone's face and demand that you not say anything mean about it, meanwhile they get to print stories about Jews eating little Arab babies on a daily basis. I can only hope that Europe is finally waking up and will kick these uncivilized, backwards, neanderthals back to where they came from. Islam is to be treated like a virus. Quarantine them and keep them away from the rest of the world and let them eat each other alive.

 

I can't say I know why the actual shooters did what they did. But my response is more directed to the people I've seen online placing blame on these journalists and excusing away the guilt of the shooters.

 

The journalists aren't to be blamed for their deaths. Only the killers. But I think I can blame the journalists for not serving the interests of the West in this conflict with what they were doing.

 

Since when do journalists have to serve anyone's particular interest?? They are free to express their beliefs as is anyone else in a free society.

 

Incorrect, Muslims in general are not throwing their religion in anyone's face. Their version of the Westboro Baptist Church (yes, my favorite analogy) are throwing Islam in our faces, and when we overreact and generalize all Muslims as doing it, like you are here, then they go back home and tell their fellow Muslims, "See, the West hates you and is out to oppress you, join us, and we will do something about it." Same crap that leaders have used for centuries to gain power. The vast majority of Muslims would never have killed those journalists. But I guarantee you, the vast majority hates them for what they have published over the years. Now the killers that did this can go back home and say, look at how the West rallies around this group of people that hate you, and even equate themselves as that group. We told you all of the West is evil. Terrorists have been playing us like fiddles for decades. Wake up people, before what started as a rag tag group of religious bandits manages to move entire populations to their bidding. Sounds familiar doesn't it....

 

Yeah, because having our journalists, CEO's, and the American public in general taking that attitude during WWII would have helped win that one for sure! News flash, when you are at war with someone, there are some general responsibilities you might have to take on as a citizen, journalist, CEO, Hollywood producer, political leader, etc. if you want your side to win.

 

i wouldn't go shooting up the newsroom.

 

I will just respectfully disagree. On every level.

 

Good then when enough of them go back and tell them that civilized society is no place for the Muslim moron they will stop coming over. You are literally advocating censorship and restriction of freedom just to appease a religious group. That is the cowards and apologists way, not mine. Islam has no place in the modern world. Until they go through a reformation it will NEVER be able to coexist with a modern society.

The only exception has been in America but that is mostly because its more difficult to get to the US than in Europe so we tend to get the more educated and cosmopolitan Muslims of which I have had no issues with. I don't think for a second though that if their numbers grew large enough that they wouldn't be demanding special treatment and then try to impose their fanatical religious nonsense on everyone else. We already have cases where they demand special treatment like being able to wear face covers for photo IDs. The courts just laughed at that lawsuit and kicked her whiny Muslim ass out of the courtroom thankfully. There is no middle ground in Islam. There is no distinction between political and religious realms. In Islam they are one and the same.

 

I'm not advocating censorship. I'm speaking of our response to this attack. Again, Westboro analogy: They also spout hateful speech that serves no purpose. Even as a veteran, I do not want them censored. However, if some crazy vet went on a rampage and killed some of them, and the response of my fellow citizens was to stand in unison, shouting, "We are Westboro!", I do have the right, especially as a vet, to say, "Dafuq"?

Get it now? You got ordinary peaceful Muslims, and even Muslims on the verge of joining the Islamic radical cause, saying "Dafuq?" in response to the West's solidarity with a hate spewing organization.