As long as the universities/colleges know that the government will bailout a student's education, the universities/colleges will continue to jack up their cost for an education. Get government out of the educational business.
No, not "we." Taxpayers pay for reasonable safety nets, and this isn't one, so taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for it. People are supposed to pay the cost of their own individual futures, and the phrase "our country's future" is meaningless twaddle. Our country's future will be far better off without overreaching central government interfering further in our lives. Wrong by definition, in that even institutional education is also "experience" just like work, and not of inherent greater or lesser value than work. Most people aren't even educable and have no desire to obtain anything approaching a true education. What they obtain are a few skills necessary to perform a particular job, or rather enough skills to learn how to do the job while on it. Educated people are few and far between, I'm 50 and despite diligent effort for decades, my education is far from complete; I'd hesitate to call myself educated. Oh yeah there is, staring us in the face. OWS, for one big example, is a product of the "college education hoax." The irony is that those people were so ignorant after obtaining their golden college degree that they didn't understand how easily they were manipulated into misplaced ire. They should have been screaming at the con artists who sold them the notion of a college degree as a panacea using disingenuous stats of lifetime earnings and the like. Instead they were duped into hollering at "evil" Wall Street and corporate America. When they say "workers don't have skills," and "there aren't enough skilled workers," they aren't talking about calculus and sonnets, they are talking basic math and writing/English skills. Everything else is trainable on the job with that foundation. Those should be acquired in HS, not college, or in vocational schools. Yes, we have undergrad diploma mills pouring out hordes of communications, marketing, social science, resentment studies (African American and Women's), Marxist humanities, education and other "easy" majors because the students don't have the intellectual capacity, previously obtained skills in HS, or drive to study STEM fields. This is a failing of self-interested, unionized primary and secondary bureaucracies that are already "free" for all, yet produce an inferior product, waste and graft. Our primary and secondary schools are grossly defective, and yes, send far too many to college as opposed to vocational schools and trades. What we need is for our vast gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-lawyer-MSM Complex to stop being such a parasitic drag on the real economy. Then markets and investment will sort any prosperity problems out quite adequately.
And if our K-12 100% government funded educational system can't even get kids to read past the 7th grade, then why are we allowing the government to fund a student's college education???? Get government out of the educational business!
Glad to see your making the case for the young chaps, that thinking for one's self is no longer necessary. And as long as they have you exercising their minds for them and deciding whether they should go to college or not, based on this infinite wisdom you posses, I'm guessing this must be a version of our new world order you are proposing? Tell us, what are the parameters you will use in deciding who will be picked for physical work or academic? Let me guess; you will continue to recruit the same number of low information right -wing Guinea Pigs into the training program as always right? But what about the lefties? How do you get them to drink your new batch of kool-aid when they want to own their own minds? That's going to be a problem for you I'm afraid.
Free??????????? free for who? certainly not the taxpayer. Why should i have to pay for someone else's snot nosed brat to go to school? If people want to go to college,mommy and daddy can pay for it. Or they can pay for it themselves.
Well, that article is a mixed bag. I don't think it is claiming what you think it is, or I possibly misread it. It is working overtime trying to convince us that government stats of oversupply of college degrees is exaggerated, but failing. The article is a -great- example of the propaganda lengths the Complex goes to to convince everyone of the "college panacea." As soon as I saw it came from PBS, I knew what it would contain.
I saw this earlier. It sounds interesting but I want more facts before I make any decision about how I feel about this.
The above type of "thinking" is a pretty good example of my #3, "Far more people go to college in the US than should." Ever consider refrigerator repair?
Or take the profit motive out of the equation and make universities run by the government like K-12 is.
I like the idea in principle but don't know how it would work in practice. It's definitely cheaper than prison, drug addiction and out-of-wedlock births. It's the first thing to come out of the anointed one's mouth that makes any sense at all to me.
And produce crap like K-12?.....The average college freshman reads at 7th grade level Also, even though the U.S. spends more money per student than any other industrialized nation, the U.S. falls way below many of those other industrialized nations.
No, I'm not part of your new world order. I choose to think and decide my own fate. But ha, I'll bet one of your low information right wing home boys you have back in storage would love the chance.
And all of those industrialized nations have public schools. Many ONLY have public schools. No private schools. The most successful education system in the world is Finland where private schools are illegal. Turns out when the rich are forced to go through the public school system, the public school system improves. Go figure.
it would be better for all if students didn't spend the first two year learning things they should have learned in high school.
I would embark on a system where the taxpayers do not pay the bill. A system should be implemented where local industry in addition to the colleges themselves share the cost. The cost could also be defrayed by private donations from self made citizens who have been successful at working their way through the system.
This nonsense will be rightly and resoundingly rejected by the right. To which the state collectivist left will collectively screech "right-wingers are anti-education!!".... "right-wing war on your children's future!!" When you already know how your ideological foes will respond to your increasingly outrageous free lunch proposals, you've ample time to craft and parade your prefabricated Straw Men in front of Gruber's stupids....who will remain that way regardless of education. free, or otherwise.
Do you really want another overstaffed, fat salaried, Cadillac pensioned federal agency - full of perpetually "overworked and underpaid" propagandists - overseeing and administering 'proficiency standards' and Common Core constructs to university level education? Because once federal money gains a toehold, that's exactly what you're going to get. 10th Plank.
Liberals can get a college degree and still not be able to understand the concept of "free". They can get advanced degrees and not be able to read the phrase "navy corpsman" out loud. If high school is free, why is it so friggin' expensive? And, if the government give's "free" college educations then the cost of the "free" colleges will skyrocket. Barack Obama has just announced that the fourth quarter will be buying votes wholesale.
