Ben Carson 2016

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Obama (who had served in the Illinois Senate from January 8, 1997 – November 4, 2004, and in the US Senate from January 3, 2005 – November 16, 2008 ) was attacked for having insufficient experienc in public office for the presidency by the same faction that now promotes this virginal "Bones" Carson.

    No experience in politics, whatsoever.

    That he is a champion of socialized medicine in his field of expertise certainly accrues to his credit, but such a proven approach for achieving economical, efficient, high quality care for everyone is anathema to the ideological hardcore who constitute the cult around the retired doctor.

    Of course, such inconsistencies are readily tolerated in fantasyland.

    Further, the fat cats who bankroll (and thereby acquire veto power over) GOP presidential nominees do not thrill to anyone who wants to serve the public and save the taxpayer money to the detriment of corporate profiteers.

    Maybe the bloke has a marvelous future as an entertainer like Sara Palin, but he is not about to get elected to anything. If you are willing to part company with reality in such a manner, you'd do better to pleasure yourself to the hilt and rally 'round ol' Johnny "Man of the People" Galt.
     
  2. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I really like his ideas regarding guns:

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/12/ben_carson_in_his_own_words.html#ixzz3NbrHQGgS
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  3. Natty Bumpo

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    Lincoln was the consummate pragmatist. Given the multiple examples of every other advanced nation on earth providing quality health care to all citizens at about half the cost, it's difficult to imagine him not adopting some variation on the proven superior paradigm.

    He might well advocate the gradual lowering of the Medicare eligibility age until that desideratum is achieved, and leave the private profiteers to offer their alternative options to anyone who might opt out of the inclusive risk pool and be willing to pay the higher cost - no longer heavily subsidized by the taxpayer as is presently the case for all covered by employer-administered plans, of course.
     
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    I find it strange that physicians in the USA seem so unaware of studies being done in Africa on HIV patients that has implications for Americans…. but…. these nutritional sugars are natural …. cannot be patented…. so billions of dollars are not at stake……so….. the silence is deafening?!

    http://www.blackherbals.com/new_hope_for_aids_in_africa.htm
    …………
    If the experts would be willing to promote what works……. even if they don't receive a huge commission on it…….. lives could be improved and health care costs could perhaps be greatly reduced.
     
  5. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How about when Obama shows his.
     
  6. DennisTate

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    But aren't his marks far more important than exactly who paid what percentage of his tuition and living expenses while he was at university?


    From the movie…. I seem to remember that his mom was a single mother…… To whatever degree he got assistance from wherever he got it……. that really should not be held against either him….. or against his mom!
     
  7. Shanty

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    Interchangeable nuts?
     
  8. Natty Bumpo

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    Wiilard Mitt Romney's entire resumé as a public servant consists of a single stint as a governor that will have been stale history for nine years on inauguration day, 2016. His signal achievement in office was individually-mandated universal health care coverage that became the model for "the whole country" (as TP superstar Jim DeMint had prescribed.)

    Benjamin Solomon Carson has no experience in public office whatsoever, and in his field of expertise, he is a strong proponent of socialized medicine.

    It is extremely weird that habitual maligners of Barack Obama attacked his having served as a US Senator after nine years as as a state senator, as "inexperience." It is also bizarre that they become so hysterical at his having adopted and promoted RomneyCare for the nation, the guaranteed windfall for the corporate capitalists that Dr Carson would eviscerate from the system.

    Obama has not transformed the United States into a utopian society during the two terms to which the American people elected him to be their president, but he has extracted the nation from the costly and bloody nation-building fiascos contrived by the prior regime, and has raised it out of the dismal economic plight in which they had left it.

    If the malcontents' constant kvetching suggests they would like to see him succeeded by someone more to their liking, why Willard and/or Bones?

    One has proclaimed the basis for the Affordable Care Act, the individual mandate, the “the ultimate conservative idea.”

    The other wants to eradicate private enterprise from health care.

    What is it about their having championed individually-mandated universal coverage or promoted the nationalization of for-profit insurance companies that has them so smitten?

    Maybe they can explain it? Maybe not.
     
  9. Natty Bumpo

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    How did he get to earn whatever grades he achieved?

    He had been raised in government-subsidized public housing, fed by food stamps, supported with welfare payments, kept healthy by medicaid, educated in public schools, provided with eyeglasses by a state agency, benefited from affirmative action in college admission, used federal loans and Pell grants to pay for his undergraduate education, again benefited from affirmative action when he entered medical school that was paid for by a grant from the US Public Health Service.

    Would his skills and contributions to American society have been realized otherwise?

    Highly unlikely.

    Indulging in ideological dogma is harmless as long as one can distinguish it from demonstrable, pragmatic reality.
     
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    Given his campaign PAC spent $9 Million .....to raise $12 Million....

    I'm starting to wonder if Dr. Carson is even going to make it to Iowa and New Hampshire.
     
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    You're right. He's the perfect Republican presidential candidate. Go ahead and nominate him. Good luck with that!
     
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    As much as I like and respect Ben Carson as a man and as a potential public servant, he isn't ready to be president. He just isn't.

    I would love to see him hold a cabinet post. I could even see him as a congressman or a senator.

    I would like to see our next president come from the military or at least have some military experience.
     
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    That's interesting given the last President who came straight out of the military and into the White House was Dwight Eisenhower.....

    who today would be considered a "RINO" (or worse) by the GOP Base for his statements and policies???
     
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    It isn't that interesting to me. While I would like to see a qualified candidate come from the ranks of the military, that doesn't guarantee that I would find them a candidate in line with my own concerns or that they would even be qualified to be president.

    Having a military background is just an experience I would like to see our next president have but certainly not the only one.
     
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    I just noted the irony.

    Today, Dwight Eisenhower would be considered a "liberal" or even "socialist" (certainly a "RINO") by the radicalized Right.....

    as he was when he was President by the Tea Party ancestor, the John Birch Society (founded by the Koch Brothers' father)....who actually accused Ike of being a Communist sympathizer.

    Including his comments on the Millitary-Industiral complex and "every warship launched... is a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed"....

    or THIS one (from a letter to his brother Edgar)-

    "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas.

    Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
    ---Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1952

    would prove anathema and hateful to today's Far Right.
     
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    Or in other words, a fair tax.
     
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    Any way it's worked...."flat income tax" means the wealthy pay less because they can move income off-shore and still have access to it. So they can make $1 a year "technically" and still buy a 40 room mansion, 50 foot yacht and a fleet of Gulfstreams on the money coming in from the Caymans.

    Ditto "national sales tax".
     
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    My dream ticket is Ted Cruz / Ben Carson. I'd be doing this:

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    So will they. Running around in circles trying to dodge their past statements.
     
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    Anyone who becomes a doctor is obviously smart. But Carson has displayed an acute lack of intelligence since forcing himself upon us as a politician. I realize that the white party loves to trot out the occasional black conservative to make themselves feel better but no one outside of their party buys it. Carson will implode just like West and Cain. It is just a matter of time before the illogical ideas of conservatives get challenged and he puts his foot into a steaming pile of dung simply by telling the truth about this horrible political movement. Sorry, he is not going to win anything.
     
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    Ben Carson has no chance at being elected and he knows that. He simply has some issues he wants to put on the agenda and running is they way he could do that. He just wants to start a discussion on specific issues. I see nothing wrong with that.
     
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    ...or an Idiot Savant
     
  23. DennisTate

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    That is exactly what I was also doing back in 2006 when I even took a shot at campaigning for the office of M. L. A.

    I didn't see anything wrong with doing that either..... but .... if by September or October of 2015 Dr. Ben Carson has a significant lead over Jeb Bush......… then Mitt and Ann have a fascinating choice in front of them regarding the possibility of Mitt settling for the job of V. P????!

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