Should Israel be dismantled?

Discussion in 'Middle East' started by Ronstar, Jan 1, 2015.

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Dismantle Israel?

  1. Yes, turn them into a secular state.

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  2. Let them destroy themselves.

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  3. Let them Arab states free Palestine.

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  1. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    First of all, Ben Gurion wsa against the idea of the "Transfer Committee" of Weitz. Your own link showed it. So already your claim that "Ben Gurion was for transfer the Arabs".

    Secondly, Ben Gurion offered to retrieve Arabs back to Israel:
    Source: http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Lausanne_conference.aspx
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its now been proven, that David Ben-Gurion supported forced transfer of the Arabs out of Israel.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    You're just contradifting yourself!
    Your own source- Wiki, showed that Ben Gurion was against the idea of the "Transfer Committee". Ben Gurion also suggested to retrieve Arabs back to Israel, as I showed you.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ben-Gurion's many quotes shows that he supported ethnic cleansing the Arabs out of Israel.

    but I know you will deny this. :)
     
  5. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    First of all, there is no source.
    Secondly, your source- Wiki showed that Ben Gurion was against it. Stop ignoring your own source.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    You gave a source about the "transfer Committee" in comment #97- http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=389893&page=10&p=1064661998#post1064661998
    And in that link is written that Ben Gurion:
    You can see it also in the reply I provided you and you ignored in comment #101- http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=389893&page=11&p=1064662568#post1064662568

    And yes I provided sources to my qoutes, when I qouted that Israel (Ben Gurion was her prime minister and without him there would be that offer) offered to retrieve 100,000 Arabs back to Israel. And my source? The Encyclopedia:
    Source: http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/La...onference.aspx
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    100,000....when 700,000 were homeless???

    lol!!!!! funny funny joke. :)
     
  9. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    Israel wasnt the solely responsible. The Arab countries were responsible for a mass evecuation, as I already showed you.
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    No.. the Zionists looted and leveled over 300 Arab villages.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;9iR5nDFhBL0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iR5nDFhBL0[/video]

    Time Magazine, May 3, 1948, page 25:
    General John Glubb "Pasha," The London Daily Mail, August 12, 1948:
    Emile Ghoury, secretary of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, in an interview with the Beirut Telegraph September 6, 1948. (same appeared in The London Telegraph, August 1948 ):
    And more here: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/comments/22379
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    Families flee just like the Jews got out of Germany. Do you understand what had been going on in Palestine for the previous 20 years?
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    Why are you ignoring what I provided you?
    Israel did in the Independance war some, but after that the same Israel offered to return Arabs back.
     
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    No they didn't offer to let them come back.. They shot them if they came back for their belongings or to harvest their olives.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    According to the Encyclopedia:
    Source: http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/La...onference.aspx
     
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    Everyone knows the story except some with an agenda and a purpose to undermine <Jewish History>... OK let us put Jewish history aside and let us hear the Arab side by the Arabs in authority. Here goes.

    A collection of historical quotations relating to the Arab refugees:
    Collected ~by Moshe Kohn

    ON APRIL 23, 1948 Jamal Husseini, acting chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee (AHC), told the UN Security Council: "The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce ... They preferred to abandon their homes, belongings and everything they possessed."

    ON SEPTEMBER 6, 1948, the Beirut Daily Telegraph quoted Emil Ghory, secretary of the AHC, as saying: "The fact that there are those refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously..."

    ON OCTOBER 2, 1948, the London Economist reported, in an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa's Arabs: "There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit ... And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."

    On February 19, 1949, THE JORDANIAN daily Falastin wrote : "The Arab states... encouraged the Palestinian Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies."

    ON JUNE 8, 1951, Habib Issa, secretary-general of the Arab League, wrote in the New York Lebanese daily al-Hoda that in 1948, Azzam Pasha, then League secretary, had "assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade ... Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property, and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states."

    ON APRIL 9, 1953, the Jordanian daily al-Urdun quoted a refugee, Yunes Ahmed Assad, formerly of Deir Yassin, as saying: "For the flight and fall of the other villages, it is our leaders who are responsible, because of the dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... they instilled fear and terror into the hearts of the Arabs of Palestine until they fled, leaving their homes and property to the enemy."

    ANOTHER refugee told the Jordanian daily a-Difaa on September 6, 1954: "The Arab governments told us, 'Get out so that we can get in.' So we got out, but they did not get in."

    THE PRIME Minister of Syria in 1948, Khaled al-Azem, in his memoirs, published in 1973, listed what he thought were the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948: " ... the fifth factor was the call by the Arab governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and leave for the bordering Arab countries ... We brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees by calling on them and pleading with them to leave their land."

    "FOLLOWING a visit to refugees in Gaza, a British diplomat reported the following: 'But while they express no bitterness against the Jews...they speak with the utmost bitterness of the Egyptians and other Arab states: 'We know who our enemies are,' they will say, and they are referring to their Arab brothers who, they declare, persuaded them unnecessarily to leave their homes." -

    IN THE MARCH 1976 issue of Falastin a-Thaura, then the official journal of the Beirut-based PLO, Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen"), PLO spokesman, wrote: "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live."

    British Foreign Office Document #371/75342/XC/A/4991 [From "Revising or Devising Israel's History" by Prof. Shlomo Slonim in Jewish Action, Summer 5760/2000, Vol. 60 #4]

    This page was produced by Joseph E. Katz
    Middle Eastern Political and Religious History Analyst
    Brooklyn, New York
     
  17. HBendor

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    And I explained with official documents, that no one in Israel threw Arabs out but their Arab leaders did.
    That guy has a fixation on punishing Israel notwithstanding, and, all of a sudden hoists the Israeli flag and lowered the Czech one to show all that he is also a Jew and should be taken into consideration.Well, I do not! His persistence in lowering the integrity of my country makes him suspicious in my eyes and probably is paid to raise havoc on this Forum against Israel...
     
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    This is also another untruth, after they departed the 'bidonvilles' metal shacks, mud shacks were leveled because they were an eyesore, and Israel was looking ahead in it recontitution to embark on a moder society. Looted???????????? I do not know about that, what would one loot from a dilapidated shack?
     
  19. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    funny how you justify theft.
     
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    Funny how you pile up accusations against Israel... We in Israel do not care because we have been insulted by professionals these past 3000 years... Your accusations are like a drop of water on a hot tin roof.
     
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    Are American Jews concerned with Israel? Most, at least in congress, are reformed Jews. Mostly Zionists are concerned for the future of Israel, aren't they?
     
  22. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    accusations that are supported by evidence.

    and by the way, when do you plan giving me back my tax dollars?
     
  23. Hoosier8

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    Why aren't you asking Hamas for your tax dollars back?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why aren't you asking Israel for your tax dollars back?
     
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    U.S. law prohibits any aid to any Palestinian entity associated with Hamas.
    If there are any tax dollars supporting Gaza they are violating U.S. law.
    As for the claim that our tax dollars supporting building tunnels, this is an even more atrocious, shameful lie.

    Many more Hasbara lies/falsehoods exposed here : by Tikun Olam

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2...ok-u-s-tax-dollars-fund-hamas-terror-tunnels/
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