Obama Will Not Meet With Netanyahu During Trip To Washington: SNUB

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  1. ballantine

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    The rockets that can't hit the broad side of a barn? Those rockets?
     
  2. SiNNiK

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    Entirely the palestinians fault for hiding rockets behind their kids. God Bless Israel, and I don't even believe in god.
     
  3. SiNNiK

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    No no, I want you to actually sat the words that the rockets are ok because they are largely inaccurate. Say it, or you take that back.
     
  4. TomFitz

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    There is no reason why Obama should see Netanyhu. He didn't invite him.

    Boehner's behavior here is abysmal. Using world leaders as pawn in a ploy that has nothing to do with anything other than DC partisan politics is irresponsible and shallow.
     
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    There are wrongs on both sides. However, right now Israel is massively more lethal and is continuing its war even after promising cease fire.

    And, Israel has the blood of thousands of civilians and their children on its hands. That is not justifiable. Period.
     
  6. ballantine

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    ROFL! Refresh my memory - how many people have the rockets killed?

    I mean, we're looking at what.... forty years worth of rockets at least?

    Surely there must be at least half a dozen victims, right? :roflol:
     
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    Cease fire is observed and the blockade stays. You'll just have to find a way to deal with it. Israel isn't rolling through town in tanks, and won't, unless you start with the rockets again.

    ETA: And, Israel, has done no wrong. Sure mistakes happened, but the root of it is that Israel does not target the palestinian civilians intentionally while the palestinians target Israeli civilians, intentionally. A monstrous act in itself, and you want me to believe that Israel is in the wrong? Whatever.
     
  8. SiNNiK

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    I'm sure you wouldn't be laughing if it were your own family at risk. I think it's ridiculous to expect others to take risks you yourself would not take. If the palestinians stop with the attacks, then they won't get blasted with tanks and bombs. It really is that simple.

    It's gonna take a lot more than that to get that blockade lifted though.
     
  9. WillReadmore

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    Me? I'm an American of European descent. I'm a guy who is interested in this war ending.

    The ceasefire is in place, because Israel made promises that it is now ignoring.That's just a point of fact. The blockade is an act of war, Israel promised to do something about it and now they are not.

    In fact, Netanyahu just started confiscating taxes on the grounds that Netanyahu did not want Palestine to join the world court and other such organizations (thus subjecting Palestine to the rule of international law!). Bu, Palestine has every righ to ak that action. That confiscation is more collective punishment (illegal) at a time that Israel owes action to reduce its ongoing assault on Gaza.

    There are international laws on responsibilities of combatants. For example, there are the Geneva Conventions. Israel took inadequate care in its slaughter of civilians, as is evident in the stats on who they killed as well as how hey did it. The civilian death toll was 2.5 times the number of combatants killed. In fact, Israel killed almost as many children as combatants. Also, Israel targeted civilian infrastructure, destroying its water and power systems - putting the civilian population at continuing risk, especially considering the blockade (act of war, promised to be negotiated) that prevents full reconstruction efforts for this critical infrastructure.

    This is NOT acceptable conduct.
     
  10. WillReadmore

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    No, you weren't listening.

    West Bank is not at war with Israel. In fact, the IDF considers Abbas their key partner in peace.

    So, according to YOU the attacks from Israel should have stopped.

    Yet Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing operations there - stealing private property and water rights, subjecting the citizens to Israeli military law, enforcing that law with a police force that depends on mercenaries who are under limited Israeli control.

    West Bank stopped, but Israel continues apace.
     
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    Read; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4333982.stm

    "Israel has done no wrong"
     
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    Perhaps if Israel quit stealing Palestinian land and removed itself from the Occupied Territories and back to its own country the Palestinians would have no reason to continue resisting the occupation. That's a bit radical, I know, but...
     
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    Both sides have done wrong. Until both sides stop focusing on the past and even ancient history the bloodbath will never end.. In other words if they ever want peace BOTH sides need to stop acting like children.
     
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    God tells them that we can.
     
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    If I were Pelosi I would have the Democrats boycott the speech. Netanyahu is in election mode right now but he is trying to make American foreign policy. We should let him know this is the sphere only of the State Dept of the United States. His opposition in Israel can then rightly point out that he is poisoning the relationship between the US and Israel, they need us a LOT more than we need them. A few more years of alternate energy infrastructure and the Middle East can kiss our collective arses. A little tough love with no US intervention in the Middle East and Israel will have a come-to-Jesus moment and make a deal with the Palestinians. Problem solved. Of course the Jewish lobby is quite large and Pelosi won't do this, but maybe if enough of our Democrats do boycott the message will get through, even Israel knows that barring a major event the Democrats retake the Senate and retain the Presidency in 2016.
     
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    Reading posts by sufferers of ODS is liking reading a Three Stooges script. It makes no sense but is highly amusing. I have no idea why you people hate this man so much but the hate, it is deep. Only a few things can generate this type of pure emotional detachment from reality. War, death, persecution, religion, murder, injustice and so on. So what exactly has our first black POTUS done to you personally that makes you act like a complete buffoon?
     
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    Can you give me some evidence of this administrations support for Israel?

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    And reading post by the Obama supporters when all they have is to assign an emotion to the otherside shows how weak the support for him and his weak leadership truely is, about a lame a rebuttal as one could make.
     
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    Yeah. Recognizing our greatest ally in the Middle East is a "big mistake" \on Congress' part, while insulting the same ally, is a "really smart move" by Dumbama.

    Der.....
     
  21. WillReadmore

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    Holy cow. I'm going to assume your wording here was somewhat inadvertent.

    Obama didn't require Israel to stop stealing land in West Bank in negotiations during his administration. This was a serious relaxation from GW's "road map" plan which had as a required for entering negotiations that Israel FIRST remove settlements that even Israel considers illegal. (Of course, Israel didn't do that and GW ignored it.)

    This administration continues to support Israel financially and in military arms.

    We've backed Israel in every UN vote, twisting arms in blocking or attempting to block Palestine's bids for recognition (and thus for Palestine to be held to higher standards). We've been consistently successful in that effort in the UNSC, but were overwhelmed in the general assembly. The fact is that over 130 nations recognize Palestine as a state. We are one of the VERY few nations that remains consistently opposed to that.

    We've said/done nothing about Israel stealing Gaza's oil/gas. We've supported their blockade that is killing Palestinians. We are currently giving Israel a free pass on the fact that they have totally ignored the promises they gave in the cease fire agreement that is in effect. We've said nothing about Netanyahu's repeated use of collective punishment - most recently in the confiscation of Palestinian taxes that have been stated to be punishment of the people for the Palestinian government applying for membership in the World Court and other such organizations. We are doing nothing about the ethnic cleansing in West Bank - an issue that should not be ignored simply because we are allies.

    There isn't any other nation in the world that supports Israel more solidly than does the US, and that is true if you ignore the actual size of our federal donations (that is, it's true even if you the size of our donations). And, it's hard to find any nation to which we give more solid support. UK, maybe.

    On the other hand, Israel has responsibilities in this partnership, too. On that front, we've seen absolutely nothing from Israel. They continue to be a national security problem for the US.



    If you want to claim our support for Israel has decreased you should be the one to defend that claim.
     
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    Schoolyard logic works well in the right wing it seems. None of you can really tell us what you hate about the guy, you just know you hate him. So that hate then demands to be explained without revealing the true reason for the hate. We hear things like lack of leadership when in fact, the man has led us through a near depression, the war on terror, massive health care legislation overhaul, got a Nobel Peace Prize, got OBL, ended two wars, avoided countless other wars, recovered our economy, oversaw the highest employment numbers in a decade, DOW is at records, gay people are getting married, pot is legal in many states, the list goes on and on and on. At every turn, the white party fought him. They stomped their feet, threatened default on American debt, stopped the government, insulted him, called him UnAmerican, questioned his birth certificate, called his daughters sluts, his wife a cow, his educational accomplishments fake and yet, he kicks all of your arses so easily its like watching Kasparov play 50 people at a time.

    The sad truth is you cannot stand the man because he is black and he represents a party that cares about people of all colors and stripes. You hate him because he is light years smarter than your leaders. You hate him because other nations think he is wonderful. You hate him because you hate everyone that is not just like you. That is the essence of conservatism these days. Hate, hate, hate. And then when the object of your hatred dares to fight back, you cry like little sissies.

    I hope some of you conservatives that are the object of my posts start to understand me a bit better. I will not let you get away with your BS. I will be in your grill giving you the same treatment you have been giving us for over 40 years. If you want comity, you came to the wrong guy.
     
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    Doesn't have time to meet with Netanyahu, yet he has time to be interviewed by that stupid YouTube girl who takes baths in cereal and milk.:thumbsdown:
     
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    Do you remember what happened last time?
     

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