ISIS Members Record and Tout Executions of Gay Men

The ONLY thing that keeps such persecution of homosexuals from all religions in the west are those damn liberals who tricked society into believing it was wrong, and the religious in those society were just kinda forced to except that they couldn't say. . .stone gay billy to death.

What ISIS and the Islamic states need are tons of fking liberals. Liberal movements have actually started in places like Saudi Arabia for things like women's rights. It will probably take another century though.

 

While the Old testament called for the death of prostitutes and homosexuals, in the NEW testament which is said to abrogate much of the old, Jesus teaches differently. In a crowd of men about to stone a prostitute he said

Homosexuality, fornication, adultery, casting ones seed on the ground are all sins, but that's for the big guy in the sky to judge and punish in the afterlife. And that's why Christians arent known to be stoning anybody. In contrast to Islamic doctrine is pretty clear in calling for the believers to kill homosexuals. Look at Iraq, doesn't matter if its the Shiites who control the government or the sunnis of ISIS, they both eagerly execute homosexuals even today. You can blame Christian doctrine for the view that homosexuality is a sin but Christian doctrine doesn't support executing homosexuals. Its not liberals that stops Christians from executing homosexuals, it is the text of the bible.

 

I don't know of a single Christian who wants to kill, or even harm in any way, gays.

 

US never executed homosexuals.

 

Just one more post which you have zero to back up a lie. Share with us all the gays that the Christians have murdered.

 

What. The. (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

And then they throw them off of roof, if they get a chance.

 

Uh...no. Desperate attempt to deflect from muslim savagery duly noted.

Muslims' acts in the 21st century is MUSLIMS ACTS in the Middle Ages. See the difference? Duh...

 

And every century between. Rate they are going, it wont be long before we have the next Armenian genocide against some religious group.

 

So if 60 to 70% of them don't approve of this crap then maybe they're not all so bad after all?

Just an FYI, Jihad doesn't mean religious fighting as you stated. Jihad by the sword (or holy war) is one of the forms but there are also other forms: of the heart/soul, of the tongue, by pen/knowledge, and by the hand. Jihad by the sword I think we should all agree we won't stand for and much like many Christians do not take some of the Old Testament literally, many Muslims I know do not take take literally the instructions you quoted. That's what makes them moderates.

 

Christians don't enforce the commandments of the old testament because the new testament tells them not to. Muslims who don't follow the commandments of the Koran to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "until...religion is only for allah" because it isn't practical in the modern world.

And I didn't state what jihad is. That is an English translation of the Bukkari hadith by a Muslim who speaks arabic. You can try arguing with them but the muslims believe otherwise. Here are the first 26 verses from the hadith using the term jihad. It involves "horses", "armor", "sword"s, " booty (if he survives)", "admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr)", "loved to be martyred in Allah's cause", "putting himself and his property in danger", "Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." etc etc it becomes pretty freakin obvious what it means, more often than not. As an apologist for Islam your views don't have any credibility.


Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 505:
I asked the Prophet "Which deed is the dearest to Allah?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents" I again asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, 'To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's cause."

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 86:
The Prophet said, "No good deeds done on other days are superior to those done on these (first ten days of Dhul Hijja)." Then some companions of the Prophet said, "Not even Jihad?" He replied, "Not even Jihad, except that of a man who does it by putting himself and his property in danger (for Allah's sake) and does not return with any of those things."

Volume 2, Book 24, Number 547:
Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) ordered (a person) to collect Zakat, and that person returned and told him that Ibn Jamil, Khalid bin Al-Walid, and Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib had refused to give Zakat." The Prophet said, "What made Ibn Jamll refuse to give Zakat though he was a poor man, and was made wealthy by Allah and His Apostle ? But you are unfair in asking Zakat from Khalid as he is keeping his armor for Allah's Cause (for Jihad).

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause."

Volume 3, Book 29, Number 84:
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shouldn't we participate in Holy battles and Jihad along with you?" He replied, "The best and the most superior Jihad (for women) is Hajj which is accepted by Allah.

Volume 3, Book 31, Number 121:
...So, whoever was amongst the people who used to offer their prayers, will be called from the gate of the prayer; and whoever was amongst the people who used to participate in Jihad, will be called from the gate of Jihad;

Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724:
Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy battles),

Volume 4, Book 51, Number 33:
When 'Umar got a piece of land in Khaibar, he came to the Prophet saying, "I have got a piece of land, better than which I have never got. So what do you advise me regarding it?" The Prophet said, "If you wish you can keep it as an endowment to be used for charitable purposes." So, 'Umar gave the land in charity (i.e. as an endowments on the condition that the land would neither be sold nor given as a present, nor bequeathed, (and its yield) would be used for the poor, the kinsmen, the emancipation of slaves, Jihad, and for guests and travelers; and its administrator could eat in a reasonable just manner, and he also could feed his friends without intending to be wealthy by its means."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 41:
I asked Allah's Apostle, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the best deed?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is next in goodness?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents." I further asked, what is next in goodness?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." I did not ask Allah's Apostle anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 42:
Allah's Apostle said, "There is no Hijra (i.e. migration) (from Mecca to Medina) after the Conquest (of Mecca), but Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 43:
(That she said), "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed. Should we not fight in Allah's Cause?" He said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj-Mabrur (i.e. Hajj which is done according to the Prophet's tradition and is accepted by Allah)."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:
A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 56:
,,,Later on it happened that she went out in the company of her husband 'Ubada bin As-Samit who went for Jihad and it was the first time the Muslims undertook a naval expedition led by Mu awiya.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 79:
On the day of the Conquest (of Mecca) the Prophet said, "There is no emigration after the Conquest but Jihad and intentions. When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." (See Hadith No. 42)

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 81:
In the life-time of the Prophet, Abu Talha did not fast because of the Jihad, but after the Prophet died I never saw him without fasting except on 'Id-ul-Fitr and 'Id-ul-Aclha.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 85:
....He told us that Zaid bin Thabit had told him that Allah's Apostle had dictated to him the Divine Verse:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives.' (4.95)
Zaid said, "Ibn-Maktum came to the Prophet while he was dictating to me that very Verse. On that Ibn Um Maktum said, "O Allah's Apostle! If I had power, I would surely take part in Jihad."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 87:
Allah's Apostle went towards the Khandaq (i.e. Trench) and saw the Emigrants and the Ansar digging in a very cold morning as they did not have slaves to do that for them. When he noticed their fatigue and hunger he said, "O Allah! The real life is that of the Here-after, (so please) forgive the Ansar and the Emigrants." In its reply the Emigrants and the Ansar said, "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will carry on Jihad as long as we live."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 88:
The Emigrants and the Ansar started digging the trench around Medina carrying the earth on their backs and saying, "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will I carry on Jihad as long as we live."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 104:
The Prophet said, "Good will remain (as a permanent quality) in the foreheads of horses (for Jihad) till the Day of Resurrection, for they bring about either a reward (in the Hereafter) or booty (in this world."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 112:
The one for whom they are a source of reward, is he who keeps a horse for Allah's Cause (i.e. Jihad)
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/

 

I think you missed the point. The number is more like 20%- 30% that don't approve.... if that.

30%- 40% Openly Say They Approve of Murdering Gays, Christians, and Treating Women Like (*)(*)(*)(*)
30%-40% Approve... but won't say openly. They lie to us as the Koran encourages to further their cause

 

Apparently yeah, I did miss the point as it now seems to be that you can read the minds of the 30 to 40% of Muslims who don't openly admit what they approve of. Me, I'm just left to wonder why they wouldn't admit some things to do with their beliefs. Perhaps because they fear the extremists who tend to run things over there.

Then the source you were quoting gave an incomplete definition. I was just pointing out that there are several additional meanings to the word beyond holy war or anything like that which have nothing at all to do with fighting. You also went on to include a rather lengthy entry (which I didn't quote here for the sake of space) comprised of passages about jihad as holy war but you don't need to convince me. I do understand what those extremists who believe in that intend and what they are capable of. They're a threat that's not to be taken lightly and should be dealt with as swiftly and severely as possible. I don't dispute that and you were quite mistaken when you called me an apologist for Islam. My only issue is when no distinction is made between those religious lunatics and Muslims who follow their faith peacefully.

 

Actually, that was the first 26 of 52 uses of the term "jihad" in the bukkari hadith without skipping a single one. I just got tired of copy and pasting them after only getting half way through.The second half isn't any different. Isnt it revealing what YOU interpreted it to mean. The muslims come to the same conclusion as to its meaning.

Those muslims you label as lunatics are simply following the Islamic doctrine above, while the other Muslims are not. The first groups actions are dictated by their doctrine, the second groups actions are in spite of it.

 

He told you, you just aren't listening. Taqiyya.

Think of his mind reading sort of like yours with regard to how you view conservatives and racism... however he is correct and your belief is just convenient.

 

Yes, exactly! So you do see then that there is a difference between a radical / extremist Muslim and a moderate one and those differences can be distinguished by their actions.

Hard to see any similarity at all when comparing HB Surfer's 'mind reading' as I termed it, to my views on conservatives and racism as the former was based on speculation on his part presented as fact and the latter, well, I never offered any views on conservatives (now you seem to be trying some mind reading of your own) while in regards to racism, I confined my opinion to my view of the statement he made. No mind reading involved in that. See the difference? Further, there's nothing convenient about what I've said nor what I believe. How is it convenient to assert that people should be judged by their actions rather than what others think they might believe?

 

The former was based on the penned tenets of a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing religion. Read a book sometime dude.

I didn't ask you for a statement on your beliefs... I simply drew a parallel to them. You probably like to think of yourself as more complicated than you actually are. Your non denial denial was statement enough. You are annoyed I am correct without the ability to prove it. You are annoyed that you are predictable. Doesn't affect me. As mind reading goes... it isn't exactly war and peace.

Sorry bout that.

 

Once again you offer a rebuttal that's full of random thoughts that have little to do with what was being discussed. You did make one comment that was on point but it's still incorrect. Just because there are penned tenets to a religion it does not mean that everyone in that religion follows them to the full or interprets them literally. To suggest such demonstrates a lack of understanding of human nature; opinions differ from person to person including among those who follow the same or similar religions. I don't know why you'd think I'd be annoyed at all about any of what you wrote, can honestly tell you I'm merely amused by the silliness of some of it including your attempts to insult. But, no worries, you did say sorry after all the rest of that drivel so it's all good. Apology accepted.

 

We should follow the saudi lead, and destroy all mosques in America, like the saudis did to christian churches

 

To believe such demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of Islam. Islam is not a religion that is "practiced" as one views Christianity... it is a complete way of life. It is literally submission. It is not a guideline, it is a manuscript. The only thing similar would be hacidic Jews... or perhaps the Amish, however all you have done here is display your profound ignorance.

 

Excellent, you managed to stay on point for almost your whole post, an improvement over your previous effort. But you've still got it wrong. What I've displayed here is my opinion based on my observations on how people I know who call themselves Muslims conduct themselves without subscribing to any of the practices or beliefs that are the domain of the extremists. Just because it doesn't fit with what you think it doesn't mean it isn't so.

 

Bring one into the thread and we will see who knows what.

[video=youtube;tpeIS25jhK4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpeIS25jhK4[/video]

Stop obsessing on me personally and address the topic. I made a flip remark which you got riled up about. I don't care about you personally... try to show me the same courtesy.

 

Obsessing on you personally? Get over yourself, you responded to one of my posts and have kept responding. And who's getting riled up? I already told you I'm no more than amused by some of your rhetoric. Yes, we've both made some flip remarks but I can assure you I'm nowhere near riled up. Also, I'm not sure why you'd feel the need to ask that I show you any courtesy as I've shown you far more courtesy than you've shown me. I've limited my criticisms to the things you've posted while you've seen fit to question my character and my intelligence. But whatever, carry on as you will.

Now as for the video you posted, it doesn't at all prove your point. For starters, I see some hands that don't get raised when he asks who believes in certain specific principles. And even if each and every person in that room did raise their hands it only tells us something about the group of people in that room. At the core of my point from the start, has been my view that not every Muslim is an extremist as I've seen too much evidence to the contrary. You've offered no proof to counter that or to support your opinion to the contrary but you continue to present that opinion as fact. Despite how loud some may yell or how many times they repeat that they think Muslims are all the same it doesn't make it a fact.

 

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much... but no matter.

I at no point suggested all muslims are the same... I simply wish to demonstrate to you that all muslims follow the Koran... that is what makes them muslim.

As for whether or not they are all extremists... you will have to define what that word means to you. I think you mean fundamentalists... and they are. It is all incorporating. I have offered evidence to support my point where you have only provided anecdotal evidence totaling a handful of people whom you have not produced, and your interpretation of their faith and or adherence to it. I can provide a great deal more information, but explaining an entire religion to you is time consuming and you have yet to satisfy your burden of supporting your claim that Islam is not an all encompassing way of life. So... get to supporting that. Think of the Koran like the Constitution... and Sharia the laws which tumble out of that. Sunnah and Hadiths are like state laws, Whatever codified laws are broken, the Constitution is meant to be sacrosanct. Now... as to whether or not Muslims believe the Sunnah and Hadith are the direct words of God varies... and you can find your definition of extremism there I suppose... and yes that varies... but the Koran... that is taken much more seriously than other religions take their texts... and it is the word of God revealed through the prophet Muhammad.

ALL Muslims believe it is not only appropriate, but demanded by God.

 

Indeed, no matter so I'll let you have that last pot shot if it makes you feel better.

Yes, earlier you did actually suggest that all Muslims are the same when you wrote: "... it is a complete way of life. It is literally submission. It is not a guideline." That was directly in response to a statement I made about there being a difference in degree as to how Muslims follow / interpret the Koran. However, just now, right after your part about where definitions of extremism may be found you acknowledged that it varies. If that's true, then by extension, it would also be reasonable to say that in general the way in which beliefs beliefs are applied, as well as the degree to which they're applied, will vary amongst the followers of a faith.

I do realize that my evidence to support any of my views has been anecdotal as you pointed out however, I do consider that to be sufficient in that even a single instance that runs contrary to a broad and sweeping generalization is enough to counter it. Though if you're looking to prove a broad generalization presented as an absolute then the burden of proof will require more than just anecdotal evidence to support all its facets.

Oh, and for the record, that guy in the video you posted, if he wants to, by his own admission, be that literal in the application of his beliefs and would encourage others to do the same... He's not a person I'd defend.

Unfortunately, there's plenty of other extremists out there too.