can someone explain to me why/how being homosexual is not an illness?

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  1. milorafferty

    milorafferty Banned

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    You mean, there are no genetic markers of any kind for predisposed sexual orientation that have been discovered yet? Or are you claiming that it has been settled without a doubt and the facts are what you claim? There are different opinions on the subject but most evidence points to genetics.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...uality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/


    http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/feb/14/genes-influence-male-sexual-orientation-study

    http://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.asp

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d...suggests-genetic-basis-of-male-homosexuality/

    http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/13/new-insight-into-the-epigenetic-roots-of-homosexuality/

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  2. Micketto

    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    How does that relate to this irrelevant comment:

    The op is simply asking a question, and you snarkily brought in the "scientific community" to counter it.

    No one claimed anything about the "scientific community".
    They know this... they simply asked why.

    Derp.
     
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    actually it's freedom. quit perverting things.

     
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    LOLOL!...... yes, patience does have it's rewards, huh? And on Valentine's Day, shower her w/chocolates, roses and kisses and you will be rewarded. Men like you crack me up! lol.......
     
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    If i say something is an illness i have to bring the scientific proof that it is an illness, otherwise it is just hate speech.

    If i say christianism is a mental illness because they believe in an invisible friend i am infringing their right to not be discriminated according to the fact that there is freedom of religion in your state, as there is freedom to go with a person of the same sex ( not talking about marriage, but just getting laid with a partner of the same sex ). So unless the law regards something as an illness according to the current scientific definition, it is just unsupported hate speech...
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    And that right there is the problem with the wussified left. That's not discrimination.

    That, like the OP, is an opinion.

    Your "scientific community" have nothing to do with the opinions of people on these forums.
    Neither do the hurt feelings of liberal pansies.
     
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    heresiarch Well-Known Member

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    Unless it is " innocent satire " ( chiarlie hebdo docet ), you can be sued for religious defamation.
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Not if it's toward Christians, like your example.

    I believe in God.... call me mentally ill all you want.

    Guaranteed no subpoena will be served. No matter how many Christians see you do it.




    You know this... to pretend the OP is discrimination is typical, stupid, left wingnut lunacy.
     
  9. YouLie

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    Yes, that's exactly what I meant. So why are we comparing it to genetically identifiable and verifiable traits such as eye color again?
     
  10. milorafferty

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    Because genetic traits are one of the major factors that makes us unique.
     
  11. Cold Light

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    First of all, I know what you are saying, but "illness" or "normal" are not the terms that you are looking for.

    Second, the fact that homosexuality has not been weeded out of the gene pool by now, and probably has an occurrence ratio close to left-handed people, is a strong indicator that they ultimately do feel the desire to procreate; they still have parental instincts.

    If anything, the people who do not feel the desire to procreate seem to be more of an mystery on how their genes got this far in terms of evolution.
     
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    That's nothing, just imagine what they'd do if it was a transsexual. Probably chop their privates off... Oops, too late! :smile:
     
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    Uh, transsexuals have both male and female parts.
     
  14. YouLie

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    Your hair, eyes and skin color are all 100% genetically predetermined. Sexual orientation is not 100% genetic. See the difference?
     
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    We don't know if it's 100% genetic or not. That's my point. It might be and all indications point to it being that way. But it's still a theory at this point.
     
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    Since homosexuality dates back as far as recorded history, it clearly is a natural occurance in a certain minority of the population.

    I don't know if that helps, but your prejudice is noted.
     
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    I personally addressed it as though it were an honest question. It seemed as such to me.
     
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    Yer actually talking about hemaphrodites, not transsexuals.
     
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    I am fairly certain that there is some connection between the finding of Helen Wambach Ph. D. with the incidence of homosexuality in the population.

    Essentially one hundred percent of her volunteers, (over sixty percent of whom were women), somehow viewed visions of "past lives" as both men and women.


    http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html
     
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    Yes.......... the most dedicated people who are part of each religious group are merely human....... and will tend to err.... at least somewhat as they attempt to understand the writings that they recognize as scripture.


    http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a11

     
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    Politics has draw millions into their war by using many social topics, like labor, sex related, drugs, race and so on. Stay out of that (their) war (it is a revolutionary system that is organizing society)
    Because that (information is hammered in mind) is the reason why people talk about these topics since the seventies. People copycat what politics presented them via the media (since birth politics influence and manipulate people's thoughts, and thus also behaviour, which is also copycatted, because it's emotion what is copycatted and spread around mutually.
    Politics won't leave people alone, never, they continue to influence the emotion of people in all ways possible (fear, curiosity, awakening, sadness, euphorism, in other words you can only ignore it)
     
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    Human Genome Project - Yes, we do know it's not 100% genetic. The human genome has been mapped out. No gay gene. Sorry. There may be some kind of genetic mutation yet discovered that alters sexual orientation from its natural state. I'll leave that possibility open until it's discovered. Until then, the comparisons to skin tone are false, dishonestly misleading and dangerously ignorant of the science.
     
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    As do many other sexual behaviors that have nothing to do with procreation. So what? That doesn't make it natural, moral, acceptable…It's a sexual activity subject to moral scrutiny like every other activity man has imagined for ages.
     
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    simple, love between two consenting adults is not a illness
     
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    they have found a gene that encourage infidelity in relationships... IE the cheating gene

    http://health.howstuffworks.com/sexual-health/sexuality/cheating-run-in-family1.htm

    your genes are your programing... they control much about you, though your programing does self modify based on outside input as well

    the gay gene would be responsible for the physical effect you have towards the same sex or opposite sex when your sexually attracted to them
     

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