Irate fundamentalist Christian mom: "Stop forcing dinosaurs on kids!"

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  1. Dood

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    So are atheists, see freedomseeker.
     
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    Agreed, and he's wrong. He IS what I would call that "militant strain" of atheist.

    But they are small in number compared with militant theists and yet many Believers throw that accusation at ANY atheist or even agnostic.


    BTW, I assume we agree that not all Muslims or even most Muslims are terrorists or terrorist supporters?
     
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    40 years or 40 cycles? The Egyptian used two calendars, one solar for religious purpose and one lunar for farming and day to day. It's quite possible that the Hebrew would have followed the lunar one and so would have been in the Sinai for 40 lunar cycle so about 1120 days, so a bit over 3 years. Still quite a bit of time but it also depends on what they actually did during that time.
     
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    From reading the story it would seem that a generation grew old and died before anyone entered the promised land.
     
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    Life expectancy at the time was at most 40 years old. 3 to 4 years would have been a generation at the time.
     
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    How old was Moses?
     
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    No one knows really. There wasn't any birth records at the time.
     
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    Deuteronomy claims that Moses was 120 years old.
     
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    Is that the original, first hand, text or is it a nth iteration that was embellished over the years and translations?
     
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    Do you know what a generation is?
    You think one can have a child at 3-4 yrs old?
     
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    LOLOL Who knows...........
     
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    what?

    a generation is the span of time it takes a human to get to 'adulthood' (breeding age) from birth. it cannot, therefore, be less than about 12 or 13 years. even in those days it would most likely have been at least 15 - allowing a couple of years grace for practicalities. over 40 years your best case scenario is 2 generations.

    talk about twisting the facts to fit the fiction.
     
  13. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    According to the Babylonian Talmud Bathsheba was six (6) years old when David knocked her up.
     
  14. Korozif

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    Thing is, we don't know what THEY considered a generation at the time. You're trying to apply modern definition to ancient text that have been translated and edited multiple times.
     
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    This is what we in this day and age consider a generation to be. But there is a major problem with that. First, we don't know what they considered what a generation was back then or even if the word generation even appears in the original text. They may again be referencing a totaly different thing that got lost in translation with the help of a scribe who embellished the tale.

    Like most of ancient history, you'll only get some educated guess at best but never the whole truth since so many thing got lost over the years and it's impossible to get back.
     
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    Can you show me that reference because I don't think that is true.
     
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    Hogwash. You tried to imply a generation a 3-4 yrs. At best 14-15 yrs, typically in today's world about 20 yrs.
    If you can't trust much of what you read because of all the aforementioned reasons, how can you trust any of it?
    But many do, they just choose what they like and toss the rest out for various reasons. It is why you get 100 different answers to the same question when asking 100 people.

    So we don't know the meaning of words or translations. But one has to believe the rest of the story is true? There were slaves, freed, parted red sea, oh wait, sea of reeds, oh wait, I don't know. Then wandered a desert for a generation or 2 and there remains no archeological evidence of 1 million + people and then their animals. Yes, lets believe that part.
     
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    First, you don't even know if they did indeed used the word "generation" or its equivalent in the original text. Second, if they did, you don't know what meaning they assigned to it. Third, who gave you the silly idea that I'm a believer in that story? My point is that all of the ancient history is "interpreted" by scholar as in there are no certainty either way since no one living today was around back then and they didn't leave enough contemporary records to decide if something really happened or not. Most of it has been either lost through the ages or as been manipulated multiple times. Scholars don't even agree with each others, hence the proliferation of ancient history books and documentaries that contradict each others.
     
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    It may be true or not, we'll never know 100% for sure. But to at least get SOME agreement here, Karma, can we both agree that if, repeat if, hypothetically he did have sex with her at 6 years old, that he would not be a good role model for today? And I think we can agree that people today need role models that are applicable for today, and not for thousands of years ago, correct?
     
  20. perdidochas

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    Most oil finds are close to foraminifera remains, not dinosaur remains. (forams are microscopic planktonic algae that form calcium carbonate shells)

    http://www.fe.doe.gov/education/energylessons/coal/gen_howformed.html

    Also, diamonds are not formed from coal. You need to learn something about real science, rather than what pop culture dispenses. I thought you liberals were pro-science?
    http://geology.com/articles/diamonds-from-coal/

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    He'd be happy that we were still allowed to choose our faith (or none at all). He wasn't anti-religious or even opposed to religion for other people.
     
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    No, not all Muslims are terrorists, I've never said that!
    They do however all have a terrorist as their #1 role model, as Mohammad said "I have been made victorious through terror", and he's the top role model for terrorists today, and he was extremely violent as you can clearly see here: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Violence

    Dood, can we at least agree that Mohammad was a violent man?
    Have a great day.
     
  22. perdidochas

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    He is, but he does believe in dinosaurs. He even built a theme park to show that man and dinosaur coexisted (the theme park is why he's in prison now). My point is that he and Hamm are the most extreme creationists I can think of, and they believe in dinosaurs......
     
  23. FreedomSeeker

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    Again, not all Muslims are terrorists.
    But what percentage of Muslims will condemn Mohammad for being the #1 role model (according to the terrorist's own words) of terrorists in the world today by far? 0.00001%? A peaceful people would condemn the terrorist's #1 role model.
     
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    Actually you don't know anything about Muhammed or the rules of warfare in the Koran.. They are positively enlightened compared to the Old Testament.

    You really should hook up with protectionist.......
     
  25. FreedomSeeker

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    Older than virtually ANY human alive today, even w/out modern medicine...clearly this is yet another thing the Bible got factually wrong. Deuteronomy 34:7 says Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he passed.

    However, this is indeed more believable than a talking snake, I gotta admit.
     

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