Why Don't Liberals Care About Black-on-Black Killing?

I'll be interested in seeing that also.

 

N one of that matters and never will.

All you're doing is beating a dead horse.

 

First, Trayvon was not killed by a WHITE COP.

Second: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6d0mUDGx6M

Sorry...

 

Protesters blocked traffic for 45 minutes. http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and...-where-tuesdays-tamir-rice-protest-would-lead

Why don't they block traffic when Baby King of da BGD 44th Street South Kings pops a cap in Ray Ray of da Vice Lords on the Southside of Chicago? Why do black lives only matter when it's a black kid shot by a white cop?

Where, for example, were the protests over this one: http://mashable.com/2015/01/22/new-jersey-cop-shooting-dashcam/

Oh, look, it's a BLACK COP shooting this BLACK GUY. Black lives don't matter when take by other blacks...

Only when taken by whites... Because that's the only way to keep the narrative alive, keep blacks as victims and political pawns for their so-called "advocates."

 

Speaking only for myself... the only time I ever see the handwringing from the usual suspects (Sharpton et al) is when a black kid is shot by a white cop... or a "white hispanic" (whatever the hell that is).

We don't even see the outrage when a black guy is shot by a BLACK COP. http://mashable.com/2015/01/22/new-jersey-cop-shooting-dashcam/

Where's the outrage Rev. Sharpton? Don't "black lives matter?"

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Seriously? You are actually asking this as a serious question?

 

Dude? RUFKM? The entire point of the video was to postulate that black-on-black crime is no more an issue than white-on-white crime. FFS MAN THE GD TITLE OF THE VIDEO IS "The Lie of Black on Black Crime." Come on!!!!

 

Never heard about it, maybe someone should have notified the media like in the Martin, Brown, and John Crawford and people would have reacted. But once again, you want people to be as outraged over gang violence in inner cities but you don't think someone who is a public servant tasked to protect and serve should be held to a higher standard than the Crips and Bloods?

 

The position take by African Americans' "advocates" and their apologist lapdogs in the mainstream media is that "black lives matter." Well, if that's the case, it shouldn't matter who is doing the taking of these lives that matter.

Of course we hold police officers to a higher standard because we entrust them with the lawful deployment of lethal force. In every single case that has made the national news headlines recently (except for the strangulation in New York which was a travesty and a clear-cut case of police brutality), the "victim" made some kind of threatening move toward the cop. Hundreds of black motorists are pulled over every day -- and they don't get shot by the cops. Why? Here's Chris Rock with a little explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B97w0QrDmZY

Funny, yes... but?

"Stay in the car with your hands on the steering wheel."

That's what I do when I get pulled over... I've never been shot either.

"Get a white friend" also some great advice.

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Exactly the point of this thread. Checkmate.

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You're correct telling the truth doesn't matter. Lenin said. if you tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth.(paraphrased)

 

So Sharpton is wrong for expecting better from police officers than gang members? I don't even like Al Sharpton. He's right to expect better from law enforcement than he does from Chicago gang members though.

 

Are you really going to make the argument that people didn't see Zimmerman as a white cop? Kinda weak there. He was seen as a white person, and a person in a position of law enforcement, he might not have fit all the glorious details, but those details are simply icing on the cake. As for you "riot, you have a video that shows a "riot" occured but no evidence to suggest they're related. Even if they are, the vast majority of protests were peaceful and no harm was done.

 

Call it what you want, but your language demonstrates the problem with the GOP and minorities. They can't figure out that they want the same thing.

Like how they support what amounts to "Corporate Welfare"? How can they support the free market when they're willing to interject themselves into to promote industries?

What? Discussing ideas is now a bad thing? You don't know because you haven't tried talking to them in such a way that promotes understanding between the two groups. It can be done, but only by compromising.

 

Actually, that's where you miss - they don't want the same thing at all. Dems want to pacify the black community and keep the people dependent on social programs. The GOP wants the black community, and all Americans, to be independent and not reliant on programs.

The two are diametrically opposed.

"Corporate welfare," has nothing to do with buying votes. Think about it. There are very few votes to buy in that sector. I'm not sure where you're going with the promotion of business does not bolster a free market. If you don't enact commonsense ideals with regard to business, you lose your job market. Keeping a healthy business economy translates into a healthy employment scenario.

In reality, there is no middle ground. If a person is not independent - that person is not independent - period. The person cannot be dependent and yet independent. There is no logical compromise on that. A "partially dependent" person is still a dependent person. "Less dependent" is still dependent.

I have absolutely no desire to try and compromise with liberal-induced dependency in an effort to make the black community less dependent, or totally independent because it's an exercise in futility. The black community has to make up its own mind - as long as I try to "compromise" we're still talking about doing for others what we feel they can't do for themselves.

That's why your suggestion won't work. The black community has to draw itself up from its bootstraps. It can - and I have no doubt that one day - it will. But that day will only come when more and more blacks understand the cycle of dependence and how devastating it is to the human psyche.

Every day we're seeing more and more intelligent blacks speak out against dependency. Guys like Alphonso (Zo Nation), Mia Love, Herman Cain, Ben Carson, and the list goes on and on. More every day.

That's the solution.

What you're advocating is only a continuation of the problem.

If you think you have an answer - I'm all ears. But, I'm guessing that you don't.

 

But that is not Sharpton's concern: His concern is to perpetuate the status quo and keep blacks undereducated, underemployed, and victimized. That is the source of his power. If Sharpton really cared about the black community he'd be telling them to pull up their GD pants, stay in school, get a job, and make something of themselves. But that is not his message: His message to - especialy - young black men: You are a victim.

OK, here's the elephant in the room that no one dare address lest be called racist: Sharpton, Jackson, Cornell West, et al., will not now, have not ever, nor will ever in the future take on the one thing about the contemporary African American community that in my view is the root cause of all of this stuff: THUG CULTURE. It is Thug Culture that causes young black men to "step ta da man," because if you don't... if you try to be a good, upstanding citizen, "you a sucka." If you dare take that angry chip off your shoulder that all American blacks are supposed to bear (by Thug Culture), if you dare strive to speak standard American English, if you dare to achieve academically, if you dare to make something of yourself then you are a sellout, a Tom, a traitor to your race, an Oreo Cookie, and whatever the hell else they feel like calling you. If you should dare aspire to anything other than a NBA power forward, a NFL running back, or a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slapping, ho-runnin, rhyme-slingin, pimp daddy den you is a sucka. And we gonna jump you whether you want to bang or not...

And worse yet, when African Americans like Bill Cosby, Larry Elder, and Thomas Sowell espouse this viewpoint? What are they? Traitors. Traitors to "their own people" for suggesting that there is more out there for African Americans than collecting welfare, having fatherless babies at 15, and lockin up wit a set to go banging in da hood...

 

Which people? I'll answer for you: Those with an agenda. How does a Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer become a white cop? Kinda weak is right.

He was only "seen as white" because the narrative requires him to be white. FFS, Orwell could not make this (*)(*)(*)(*) up. George Zimmerman is HISPANIC. The other day I saw an accident on the highway and I pulled over and called 911. I'm as much a "person in a position of law enforcement" as George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer with a cell phone and a flashlight.

What color is the sky in your world? The glorious details? Is this a joke? Those "glorious details" are kind of important. But guess what? We can ignore them if it is inconvenient to our position, and especially if it breaks our narrative which we so desperately need to perpetuate that we will turn a Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer into a white cop. Un(*)(*)(*)(*)ingbelievable. UN (*)(*)(*)(*)ING BELIEVABLE.

What kind of crack are you smoking? At 0:05 in the video "... in the Crenshaw District, a peaceful gathering to protest the Zimmerman verdict... soon run wild in the streets of South LA... "

But that's not even the point. The point is NOBODY RUNS OUT IN THE STREET LIKE THIS WHEN A BLACK SHOOTS A BLACK. Because it is just business-as-usual in America's ghettos and there is no political capital to be gained nor is anyone willing to expend any unless it can be made into a national tragedy where the president himself can tell us what his son might look like.

Black lives matter? To some people, only when there is something to gain...

 

Exactly right. Hell, this guy here is desperately trying to convince me that George Zimmerman is a WHITE COP. Why is it so important to turn a Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer into a WHITE COP? I think we all know the answer to that one...

 

There's no white people to blame.

 

So in other words anyone who was paying attention at first and looked at photo of Zimmerman?

He was seen as white because of his photo. That's all that matters. People saw him as white, and so that drove the story. Tell me, do you think that if he walked into a store beforehand, people saw him as hispanic? No, they saw him as white. Why else would that narrative have existed in the first place?

So first off, calm down. There's no need to swear. Second off, perceptions of the truth matter more so then the actual truth. People saw him as white and what he represents. It's not just about white cops, it's about cops in general and the over policing of poor inner city neighborhoods. To look at it from a black and white angle gets us nowhere. This is where symbolism comes in. Denying the power of symbolism is a very dangerous route to take. Symbolism in the end will be far more important then anything else in the world.

The kind that makes me go back to the video and discover that you left out a key phrase that dramatically alters your story.

Then are you going to ignore the stories from my first post in this thread that contradict you? Look, you just made a whole point about ignoring the truth for your narrative, don't be hypocritical in the same post.

It's almost like they want a safer neighborhood. That's something to be gained right? Security in one's home?

 

That's hilarious. The two parties like to present themselves as different sides, but in reality a lot of what they argue is on the same side of the coin, even if it doesn't seem like that. Take foreign policy for example. There might be differences, but both have a very strong pro-intervention approach. Examples would include Bush and Obama. Bush invaded Iraq and Obama with his drone policy. Even then, turning this into a you vs me argument isn't the way to go. Debates can't turn into that or they die down. Debates have to allow people to listen and form their own ideas about what should be done in the world. If it becomes a you vs. me argument, then people can't take the middle ground and reform dies with it.

How do you think they get that healthy business economy? They agree to subsidize costs or insure business owners. Take the food stamps bill for instance. When that was up for debate two years ago, the insurance the federal government provides was in risk of not being passed. The fact that it exists is a sign of corporate welfare. Now you said this:
"You might find some GOP candidates that want to ride on that bandwagon, but by and large, conservatives oppose buying votes through pacification."
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They pacify businesses just as much as any Democrat. Conservatives as well. Face it, the GOP believes in welfare, just not the same kind as everyone else.

With that definition everyone is dependent on each other. Even if a person relied on themselves for everything, they're still relying on other people to allow them to do it. There is no indepedence. We need each other more then we realize.

Then the GOP will never have the black vote. The GOP will continue to suffer from bad news at the polls. Ironclad language will not help anyone.

Oh I love it when someone plays the one example card. It lets me say this. For every Edison in the world, have many street cleaners have their been? For every one example you can come up with, how many counter examples are there that disprove you? Those people aren't for the black community. They're for people that want to ignore the fact that the GOP has a race problem and instead focus on a few people.

What positions have I argued in favor of? The only one is talking. That's the only way we will know for sure what works and what doesn't work.

 

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He was "seen as white" because the agenda states that he must be white. Or risk breaking the narrative. And now even that we know for a fact that he is NOT WHITE, nor a POLICE OFFICER, you insist on telling me he is a "white cop."

Now I know what color the sky is in your world. By the way, you have just endorsed the genesis of racism. And you have justified every white-on-black police shooting that's ever occurred. Congratulations.

There you go again. WHICH people? I'm a person and I don't see him as white. Why don't I "see him as white?" BECAUSE HE'S NOT WHITE. I may see myself as George Clooney... that does not make me George Clooney.

It's exactly about white cops. Because it is ONLY when a white cop shoots a black person that the narrative lives on. Tell me the name and location of the black motorist who was just shot by a black cop. It just happened recently...

Tell that to Al Sharpton. And to the "black lives matter" crowd...

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.

You are still denying that there was no riot regarding the Zimmerman verdict? And I only cited Los Angeles... it happened all over the country. Hell, Oakland became more dangerous than Baghdad that week.

Be specific, please.

What's that you said upthread about "overpolicing?"

 

There are, however, degrees of independence. For the purpose of discussion, the lowest degree of independence needed still requires a person to go out and bring back enough money to feed, clothe and shelter his/her family. That's the lowest acceptable degree of independence for the purpose of this conversation.

There are higher degrees as well. There are those folks who produce their own food and energy. Those who live off-grid. That's not the choice of most people, but those are even more independent people.

When people drop below the lowest acceptable level of independence, others must do for them. In any society, there are those who need assistance, the elderly, the parentless, the infirm. That's not a problem. When able-bodied persons sink below the lowest level of independence (no matter the race), something has gone wrong. It's been recognized for decades that welfare programs trap people. By "helping" those people - you actually harm them.

That doesn't matter one whit to me. That's vote-buying it should not be the way anyone looks at a situation. And, speaking of bad news at the polls - the democrats just got some - didn't they? The midterms? LOL

That's not the "one example" card. That's showing you that the amount of conservative blacks are on the rise. It's a trend that will continue.

You advocated a compromise of diametrically opposed positions. In that suggestion, as I explained, conservatives could only further harm the black community. That's why I said you're part of the problem and not the solution.

 

We'll assume that supposedly the most independent you can go. Since we're arguing whether or not independence exists, that's a safe assumption. Now tell me, for those that grow their own food, aren't they relying upon other people letting them? I'm not talking about armed robbery, I'm talking about making sure that they have enough water for themselves. If a person diverts a river so they can get water, how can the most independent person cope with that? How about the soil itself? Wouldn't a person need to make sure that their soil is healthy? Aren't they relying upon others to make sure they don't ruin it themselves? If a person truly wants to be by him/herself, then that's their choice. But to say they're independent, is simply not true.

Those welfare programs that you speak of, have been gutted. They simply can't provide for everyone. Reagan and Clinton gutted welfare as we know it, thus to say that they're the reason for why people are still poor, is simply not true. But even then, welfare is incredibly important. Instead of having to worry about where your next meal will come from, you can read a book that increases your skill level, making you a much more valuable employee. This is why interdependence is a good thing, it makes specialization possible.

What 35% or so of the US population voting is the sign of how powerful the GOP is? If anything, people will look at that and say that's a bad sign for our democracy. If I remember correctly that was one of the most expensive elections in US history, yet 35% of the population voted. Now as for "buying votes" elected leaders listen to their constituents. If they want welfare, let them have it. There's no problem with that.

Let's find something out. Name 10 more black Republicans in positions of authority on the national level. Don't look them up. Name them. Nor have you established a trend. Sure you can name Oscar De'Priest but that doesn't mean that the GOP was winning the black vote when FDR was in office. Your "trend" is countable on hands, meanwhile Obama won what 95% of the black vote in 2012 with the Democrats also winning minority votes as well.

I "offered" a compromise because that is a fact. There will be a compromise. Conservatives will not get everything they want if they want to even begin talking about problems the African American community faces. Conservative ideology will have to adapt itself in order to win over African Americans.

 

Something that is missing is the fact that Zimmerman is not Mexican but South American. It is an historical fact that many South Americans have German names. Therefore, the Progressives Marxists miss applied their assumption that Zimmerman was 'white' and possibly Jewish. Hence, George Zimmerman should be lynched.

 

Game, set, match. /thread.

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Hell, he could be related to Bob Dylan. You don't get much whiter than Bob Dylan!

 

Ask anyone who has no idea who he is and ask him what color is his skin. They're going to say white. You're also forgetting, Hispanic is an ethics term, it's not referring to a person's skin color. He can be a white Hispanic.

A person who clearly could pass as a white person in a position of law enforcement in a local community without proper training managed to shoot an unarmed black kid after initially not cooperating with said law enforcement person. Was I talking about Trayvon Martin or Timir Rice?

It's almost like every idea is justified. Literally, every single idea in the world is justified with my logic. What's your point?

Anyone who has no idea who he is and was shown a photo? If you thought you were George Clooney, then the reality that you're not George Clooney doesn't matter to you, because you will act out his life.

No it's not. How about when cops shoot a homeless person?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/12/us/albuquerque-police-murder-charges/

Already did.

Do you know what symbolism is?

Are you denying that you tried and failed to establish a correlation? The word "overshadowed" seperates the two groups.

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What?