America the land of the free???

You are free to consume as much debt as possible, and to be insignificant and meaningless. You are free to own the clothes on your back and nothing else. If you don't pay "your obligations"

OBLIGATION (Duty), noun agreement,????? burden, charge, commitment, compulsion, contract, covenant, debt, duty owed, homini gratiam debere, legal responsibility, moral responsibility, necessity, oath, obligement, officium, pact, performance owed, promise, responsibility, social responnibility, that which a person owes to another, that which is due from a person.

The IRS will take everything you have that has any value.


So what is it I actually owe? When did I agree? When did you agree? What paper did you sign to make it a legal and binding contract?
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/bound

BOUND adjective accountable, answerable, called by duty, chargeable, committed, constrained, destined, engaged, forced, having no alternative, impelled, liable, necessitated, obligated, obliged, pledged, pressed by duty, required, responsible, restrained, tied, under a vow, under compulsion, under necessity, under obligation

Hmm that doesn't sound free in any language I speak. But by all means tell yourself that you are free

 

Our tax system is a mess, figuring out what you owe is hard. But it's all documented in the tax code. You agreed to be bound by that tax code and other U.S. laws when you either petitioned to come into this country or to become a U.S. citizen.

If you were born here, that was when you first opted to receive the benefits of citizenship (like a social security number) and declared you were entitled to them because you were accepting the rights and privileges of citizenship.

You, or your legal representative, signed the contract then. And you can exit that contract just as easily.




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explain how

 

Free? In Italy we think that the United States [which are a part of America] are the land of freedom, not of "free".

 

Say you renounce your citizenship. You may be required to put it in writing. (more)




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Gibberish.

 

Maybe we are only afforded the illusion of freedom, and it is considered the best version of life available.

 

This is what you are talking about and you have to pay all debts including your share of the national debt. It's not as easy by no means!!!

Expatriation/Repatriation .http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/Expatriation-Tax

 

your link is hilarious sovereigns don't take pledges of allegiance, or oaths to government's so why would I want to do that?

 

I would say we are free/ish. There is no such thing as an absolute freedom. Even in anarchy clicks evolve to survive and institute their own rules (limits upon freedom). By the way who gets to decide what a real patriot is? You? Me? Someone else... and by what authority?

 

History decided. Loyalists were loyal to their oppressors (government) and the patriots were loyal to freedom and the people. They taught that in middle school.

 

History is a word that lacks the ability to decide anything. History is often written by the victor thus skewed and not always synonymous with fact. History is recorded by man and man is fallible and lacks the ability to be completely objective. I argue that what constitutes a patriot is relative to the individual. Patriotism is many different things to many different people.

 

what is it to you?

 

A person who not only stands for their rights, but also the rights of others, even if said rights go against ones personal beliefs. For example I am not gay, but as being gay in and of itself causes no harm to anyone I am for same sex marriage.

 

What I've learned since I've been hearing that is that losers will rewrite history to so that they come out on otp.

For example, Japan going on about how we dropped the bomb on them while they were the complete aggressors of the war and committing atrocities themselves.

And the southerners and the crap War Of Northern Aggression and doing whatever they can to discredit Lincoln and not admitting they were the ones that succeeded and attacked first.

And many more examples.

 

I agree that is patriotic. I don't think there needs to be a law to tell them they can or can't. It should not be any concern to anyone except all parties involved in the marriage. The fact that you have to have a license to get married is a sign that we lack the freedom to marry without permission from the masters. The truth is Americans are not free. We lost all rights and gained privileges and immunities. A privilege is granted to subjects (slave) by an authority (master). Slaves were granted privileges. Sovereigns had rights.

SUBJECT verb bring under domination, bring under rule, cause to undergo, conquer, control, crush, defeat, dominate, enslave, enthrall, expose, get the better of, govern, hold down, hold in bondage, hold in subbection, humble, keep down, make liable, make submissive, make subordinate, make subservient, master, obnoxium reddere, oppress, overcome, overmaster, overthrow, quell, repress, rule, subdue, subicere, subjugate, subordinate, suppress, tame, triumph over, vanquish, worst

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/subject

 

UNALIENABLE adjective absolute, actual, certain, definite, fixed, imprescriptible, inalienable, incaaable of being surrendered, indefeasible, inviolable, lawful, prescriptive, privileged, rightful, unalterable, unimpeachable, untransferable
Associated concepts: unalienable rights
Burton's Legal Thesaurus, 4E. Copyright © 2007 by William C. Burton. Used with permission of The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
UNALIENABLE. The state of a thing or right which cannot be sold.
2. Things which are not in commerce, as public roads, are in their nature unalienable. Some things are unalienable, in consequence of particular provisions in the law forbidding their sale or transfer, as pensions granted by the government. The natural rights of life and liberty are unalienable.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/unalienable

 

I don't know what you're reasons might be. But if you do any of the things on that last, America will interpret them as a renunciation of your citizenship.




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You don't need a license to get married. You need a license for your marriage to be recognized by law. There are certain prerequisites for the legal status of 'married', the license is certification you've accomplished them.




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No it's not what I mean. To renounce citizenship you just need to make a declaration, either verbally or by form. The fee for processing by form has risen over the last decade due to the unprecedented number of folks doing it. It used to be free, now it's about $500 and it will likely rise to a few thousand shortly. (you can thank Obama for that)

Once you file the form (or meet any of the other requirements for renunciation), you are no longer a U.S. citizen.

Your debts are still binding and there are excise and capital gains taxes which apply to gains in the U.S. or transfer of wealth out of it, but you are no longer a member of the club. I know Bush added some new excise taxes with the HEART act when we started breaking records with folks renouncing citizenship, but I wasn't aware of anything about a share of the national debt. Is this something new?



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Try telling that to my pastor. I asked him about that and he said he would not do the ceremony with out one.

 

Did you read the link I posted to the IRS website? "All debts" must be paid in full. The way you say to renounce citizenship makes you a citizen in a foreign country. All United States citizen's have duel citizenship (if naturalized here). Your way renounces both of those citizenship's. I have no intention of renouncing my American Citizenship, only my United States citizenship. It's the US citizen that has entered into the contract with uncle Sam so the incorporated person could have the "privilege" of doing commerce. The only citizenship I wish to renounce is the one created in the 14th amendment.

 

What is the name of the form you have to file out?

 

He's free to choose not to without one. He probably has other requirements too, that are not imposed on you by U.S. law. You're free to find a pastor who doesn't require those of you. Or to just stand in front of your friends and family and make your marriage by announcement.

If you want that marriage to be recognized by U.S. law, which provides accommodations making it easier to operate as a married unit under U.S. law, the law has some prerequisites. A marriage license certifies that you met them.




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Technically, you could do it on the back of napkin. You just need to make the assertion. But there are some official forms provided. I think the state department provides form 4080 for example.




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