Three states move to protect children from transgender bathroom and locker room rules

You're right. There is nothing good about this.

Why can't parents just sit down with their boys and say: "I know you say you feel like a girl.... but you're not. So just quietly use the boy's bathroom, since you are after all.... one of them".

The same thing they would want the parents to do if it was their own daughter who came home crying about sharing a bathroom with boys.

 

I agree, all the more reason to say it is bad policy. At some point us straights and LGBT need to see eye to eye and be better than our politicians. I do not see this issue as anti LGBT but see it as the right to privacy that can be respected by both sides.

To me, this was a policy to divide more so than to benefit.

 

No, it's not.

You asked what opportunities are being created. I didn't mention sexual assault, but to pretend there wouldn't be men sexually gratified by the idea of standing and peeing while girls are coming in and out of the bathroom is a bit naive.

Pedophilia isn't my argument, so drop that one.
A lack of privacy, and respect for young girls is.

ffs... nice try.
Of course it's there and as a young man I keep my eyes and ears open when I use those facilities.
Many places have mens' and boys' bathrooms separate. Can't really force everyone to do that so we, as caring human beings, need to police these things ourselves.

However, it doesn't matter how much we men are taking notice in our own bathrooms... we aren't allowed to do the same in the women's.

Nor should we be.

 

We have sex segregated bathrooms so each side has their privacy, in which we are entitled too.

And they are a deterrent to some child molesters as well even if that was not an original intention, but apparently due to some guy crying about "feeling like a woman" we have to accept more chances of it happening whether it be restrooms or even showers.

As if homosexual molestation was not enough, gotta give that extra bit of leeway for straight pedos to have a better shot at getting their jollies off.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Secondly it is one thing if a male has the sex conversion done, then that is a different story. I am speaking about males who claim they want to be women and still got their penis..... They need to relieve themselves where the rest of the dicks do.

 

I agree. Enforcing a policy is always going to cause problems, and we can all be grown up about this.

I don't see it as a anti lgbt policy either. Some folks need to be patient and others need to be a little bit more open minded and kind.

I think you and I pretty much agree on this one.

 

Meh, fair enough.

 

You haven't explained how the chances would be increased.

Now if it was me and I had a daughter in a public facility I think I'd be more concerned that she felt uncomfortable using the facilities, I would be concerned about her being assaulted as any parent should be, but I'm not sure that chance would increase if transgender people were allowed in the girls locker rooms and such.

I asked you to explain why that would increase.

 

I have already explained it like 3 times, im sorry you can't comprehend the extreme obvious. But ok, later. BTW, if you truly understood where I was coming from you would see I'm not really speaking about transgenders. Im talking about sickos that will pose and a transgender.

 

Let me rephrase,

Give a legitimate explanation. "It's obvious" isn't that.

I know exactly where you are coming from. I don't think you know where you are coming from. See below.

So how would you know a transgender from an ordinary woman? Couldn't sickos pose as women and do what you think is not possible right now?

I think you are just naive. Or you are trying to appeal to emotion.

 

Yes it is possible right now, but a little harder to do since it is not a social norm to allow a man into a womans stall whether he is a tranny or cross dresser.

Wit you guys wanting to make it "the law" you are opening the flood gates as nobody can raise any awareness, because in doing so we will be told we are discriminating. Now any man who wants to say he "feels like a woman" can go right in unquestioned.

Seriously, it's common sense.

But I know, the vote is what is important here, who cares if a few extra women get raped or possibly even children abducted. it was for the greater good of trying to get more votes for democrats. Congrats.

 

How would you know if they are trannies or cross dressers?

I'm not interested in making a law, you are. It should be left to the property owner.

Any man that wants to can at any time go into a woman's locker room or rest room. It's just a door. There are no guards. I've done it before. You just walk in there you don't have to even announce that you feel like a woman. And you never had to

What is?

I'm am independent conservative, I don't care about getting votes fire democrats.

I just don't see how men who would sexually assault women or girls or abduct them are kept out of there by not allowing trans people in. You keep saying it's common sense.

However it's not, the doors to women's restrooms aren't magical and they don't restrict men's entry. So what the hell explanation did you give that was common sense?

 

Allow me to translate. Anyone with a penis is a man. Any man who goes into the women's rest room is a pervert. This law enables legal perversion. QED.

 

Well, I guess that is the case he is making.

So far all I have is "common sense" that makes no sense.

What do you say GeddonM3 is flintc's description accurate?

 

I have already explained this.

and yes, if ya got a penis you shouldnt be in a womans bathroom. If a transgender who had a sex change, then that is a different story obviously.

But what is so hard to imagine about a true pervert who goes the extra mile to put on a bit of make up and a wig to take advantage of such perks to get his jollies off?

Right now it's very much avoided for the most part, make it to where we have to allow it...........Well that barrier that DECENT people do not cross just becomes fair game.

In that case, also make it to where if a man wants to claim to be a woman and if he commits a crime he gets his dick chopped off and sent to womens prison. Same for a woman who says she is a man.....send her to male prison. They want to invade other peoples privacy, then let them experience the whole nine yards right?

 

Nothing. What stops that from happening anyway?

Agreed, but is that because they don't let trans people int the respective bathrooms? so far you haven't mad a good case for that.

So allowing transgender people into respective bathrooms all the sudden ends human decency? Is that waht is obvious?

Who is invading? I think you are invading private property rights by saying what must be legally enforced in their bathrooms. I still say it should be up to the property owner, after all they are the ones paying for it.

 

There is a young man I work with. He is a female to male transgender. Hasn't had surgery or taken hormones yet, but is known as a male and we call him by his chosen name. He also uses the male bathrooms. Does anyone have any issue with this at all?

Nope. Because we are not a bunch of bigots.

 

Sorry, but the tranny bathroom thing is just hilarious.

I think pervs just got a new way to perv out. It's like in South Park where Cartman declares himself "transginger" to get his private bathroom in school!

 

Cool story, bro.

 

Not any easy issue. Do you want trannies in with your kids of the same gender? Do you want trannies in with your kids of the opposite gender.

Abolish public schooling and let schools/parents decide what they want on their own.

 

Good for them...Gay marriage has a slippery slope, folks!

 

I don't think the issue is a bunch of grown men in the workplace and who they don't mind peeing with or not.
But as someone else eloquently pointed out... "cool story, bro".

The day you say it's ok for a 40 yr old male, who is simply more feminine in his head, to come into the girls' bathroom with your 8 year old daughter uncomfortably trying to hurry up and avoid answering the man's questions while he starts chatting her up, then get back with us.

 

happy to find out my state is one of the 3....

 

I can say that I do agree with your sentiment about the decision being up to the property owner.

But with that said I have a yes or no question for you. Do you think it is a reality that some perverts will be MORE willing to take advantage of this situation should we allow transgenders to openly use opposite facilities?

Right now it is a taboo, something not many people attempt.

And please understand, I'm not attacking transgender people as I do not believe their psychological problem causes them to be perverts. I am talking about the pervert who will be more willing to go the extra mile when there is presssure taken off the situation.

 

The more they push, that 3 will become 50.