Congress Launches Hearing On Obama Plot To Choke Off Gun Companies

If it didn't happen that way then how did it happen?

And if something like this was going on I would say it's pretty important. The government has no right to intimidate any business or citizen in that way just because they don't agree with something. It's not a partisan issue, it's about abuse of authority. But if you're right in that it didn't happen the way that it's being perceived and it's nothing like that then I have no problem stepping back and admitting my mistake.

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It's a simple yes or no question. Their is nothing subjective about it. So, yes or no?

 

Maybe, but the idea of obama doing this sure is believable.

If you don't think so you haven't been paying attention.

 

How many should there be? What's the magic number?

 

It's anti-fraud legislation that has nothing to do with the product being sold. It is not for "intimidating" anyone, it is for preventing/stopping fraud. The justice department says none of the cases they are working on include gun sellers.

 

I have been paying attention. Every time republicans launch a new ivestigation it comes to nothing. This will be the same. Issa's feeling left out and needed something to do is all this is.

 

You've already got my answer. Sorry it was too complicated for you.

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There are too many guns in this country.

 

You are working against the Constitution, therefore your actions are treasonous.

You ought to find a different country.

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My right to keep and bear arms is a guaranteed right. The prohibition of firearms is not.

 

So you're answer is that you are willing to lie and cheat? So I was correct in my original assessment. Personally if you have to do those things to get whatever agenda across then apparently it's not that good to begin with. And this is why no one is going to see you as serious or credible.

 

I'll have to wait and see if this is what is going on but and if you're right then no problem but if it is as described in the op then this is wrong.

And I don't consider the Justice Department to credible anymore. These past couple of years have proven them to be dishonest and agenda driven.

 

It isn't conspiracy theory, it is called 'Operation Choke Point' by the Administration.

 

Your opinion is noted, but I'll stay here and work to make this country better. Thanks.

Obviously I think I'm smarter than the masses, and it's ok to fool fools for the greater good.

 

I guess fantasy really is better then reality for some people.

 

Agreed, as is the freedom from religion but that does not stop the religious right from trying to make law on the basis of religious belief.

The right to privacy is also guaranteed. This has not stopped Obama from continuing to try and justify spying on all Americans using fallacious utilitarianism (Utilitarianism seeks to justify law on the basis of what is good for the collective and completely disregards individual rights and freedoms)

Obama "If we want increased security - we have to give a little" trying to justify NSA spying
Benjamin Franklin "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty or security"

I do not like these things but that is no reason to move out of the country. It is a reason to speak out for change.

On the right to bear arms though. Do you understand the rational for the 2cnd amendment and the other aforementioned rights ?

These rights are for protection of course but, protection from who ?

 

Yes, they pre-exist the Constitution. The first amendments were created just to make sure they were understood.

 

I would be interested in seeing a bona-fide rebuttal to the OP. I find it to be outrageous, and you do too (else you wouldn't be so quick to say it was 'made up crap' and 'conspiracy theory bs'), but I have not seen you or anyone refute that happened, or attack the source, or anything substantial.

 

Well I'd love to but pretty much the only people talking about this are RWNJ sites. I did find some comments from the justice department saying that no firearms retailers are being investigated, and the only business charged have been banks. It is aimed at pay day lenders and such, the business connections were places that were considered likely to do business with them, not places to be investigated.

If you want to get bent out of shape over something then get upset that firearms retailers are included in a list like this:
Ammunition Sales
Cable Box De-scramblers
Coin Dealers
Credit Card Schemes
Credit Repair Services
Dating Services
Debt Consolidation Scams
Drug Paraphernalia
Escort Services
Firearms Sales
Fireworks Sales
Get Rich Products
Government Grants
Home-Based Charities
Life-Time Guarantees
Life-Time Memberships
Lottery Sales
Mailing Lists/Personal Info
Money Transfer Networks
On-line Gambling
Payday Loans
Pharmaceutical Sales
Ponzi Schemes
Pornography[10]
Pyramid-Type Sales
Racist Materials
Surveillance Equipment
Telemarketing
Tobacco Sales
Travel Clubs

Before someone gets all excited about "ammunition sales" being top of the list, I should mention it's alphabetical.

 

There are too many Constitution-hating "progressives" in this country.

'Tis a pity because Cuba is such a short swim away...

 

I don't hate the constitution. I find it very useful.

I just don't treat the constitution like a diety.

 

I hope someone exposes how much money was spent by congress on Obama conspiracy theory investigations during his Presidency and shows the results of these investigations in 2017. People will be shocked and likely very ticked off. Not very conservative is it?

 

OK but not sure how your comments relate to my post

 

you forget that thanks to Comrade Obama, there are direct flights now.

 

Oh I remember this quite well. Old news though. This scheme was hatched quite a while ago. Surprised they're getting to it now.
Gale McMillian was one PO,d dude when he found out why BOA shut down all his business accounts. A VP at BOA actually admitted it was a federal program designed to destroy his business and others like it. Also admitted BOA was just fine with it. They lost quite a few 2nd Amendment customers when the story broke.

 

In this case the question then becomes are one way ticket purchases federally subsidized? I'd be cool with that.

 

hold up there, Skippy. it's freedom OF religion. you are to free to practice any thing you want as long as you don't abuse any of God's other creatures in the process, or none at all if that is your thing. all law is based on someone's morality (or lack of it).

 

I was wondering when something would come of this. I posted about it a while back. I still think gun owners and gun dealers should sue the federal government for violating their civil rights under the fourteenth amendment. Singling out these legal enterprises for investigation and extra-judicial punishments is a classic example of profiling and prejudice. Where is their speedy and public trial? The Obama administration has been a serial abuser of the bill of rights.